Pointless WAR!! - Page 2

marisa · 02-02-03, 12:40 AM

thoughts?

No President, None, can make everyone happy. This thread would be here no matter who was President. No one can agree all the time. So its really a waste of time to constantly debate these things as no one can change the way someone feels about the President. As for the war, that of course is good debating!

Marisa

Them and Us · 02-02-03, 12:52 AM

I'm not sure who you were talking to. Also it was not necessary to drop Nuclear weapons on Hiroshima or Nagasaki. We were already beating the Japanese back an back by the day. Those bombs were dropped to show the world , especially Russia, what we had. We did not even give the Japanese a demonstration of the destructive power of those bombs. not even a test on a remote island so Japan could see the destructive power. Ibelieve if they were shown what would happen they wold have surendered. But instead we droppd those two boms and now in both places birth defects are extremely high and life expectancies lower. in retrospect i think many would agree that we were wrong. their claims aren't bogus, its their opinion

anygiven60 · 02-02-03, 12:58 AM

Not necessary? haha...yet the lose of American life was acceptable in your terms with their attack on us at Peral Harbour? The bombs were nothing more than a msg of "Hit us and we'll hit harder"... Their attack on us was a low blow and we prevented the lose of more life with the two bombs... God knows how long an actual war would have gone on or how many countless lives would of been lose... It was a nail through their heart and well deserved...

Them and Us · 02-02-03, 01:20 AM

we know. its taught in school today. the US was so very close to defeating Japan. and the use of the atom bombs was not absolutely necessary. they teach in school today,governmentally funded schools teach today the main reason it was done was to alert the Russians of what we had. I did not say the loss of American life was acceptable at all. I will say however that at Pearl Harbor two whole entire cities were not destroyed , children were not obliterated and ash outlines of bodies were not present on walls.Yes lives were lost and families ruined. It was terrible i do not deny that . A nail through the heart? It was overkill. its repeatedly stabbing after the kill.

marisa · 02-02-03, 02:40 AM

Talking to everyone who started debating George Bushs good points and bad points. Its useless because the fact is not everyone will ever agree on one single president. Its like argueing crunchy peanut butter over smooth! People like different people and not everyone will always believe in any certian President. I see the discussion that leads to this as the last posts were, as useless. That whole reason we have different political parties is because people can disagree.

I just don't see why anyone is making certain points they are because most seem invalid to the original posters post. That's just MHO.

Marisa

Them and Us · 02-02-03, 09:47 AM

because we are people. we debate. debate is healthy. its shows people are thinking . it may look like I'm angry at anygiven or hiss but really i do respect them. I'm glad they are atleast paying some attention to world affairs ( home affirs as well for us USAins) and have an opinion. i respect that. people who say " who cars" i worry about.

andrea · 02-02-03, 09:58 AM

just some of my thoughts...

if you are into the bible: when all the world turns against Israel, that is when the world will come to an end. america has been one of the very few countries on the side of israel for ages. therefore people who believe this would want us to whatever we can to stay on the side of israel and this war isnt as simple as everyone is making it seem. it isnt just about weapons inspection, it is about too many things for me to list on here before i have to go.

also, whether i felt that a war was right or wrong i would NEVER protest it. does anyone know personally a vietnam vet? i do, three uncles and my father in law. they came back here messed up so f****n bad, and the entire country treated them like it was THEIR fault. they did not want to go. but they were there, and people over here who didnt go were sending them a hopeless message, like what were they there for? what were they dying for? instead of jumping on a bandwagon of protest, we need to stand up and say "we support our troups!" "we support all the soldiers doing their duty!" THAT is what needs to be said.

the soldiers themselves got on TV after desert storm, and i realize a LOT of the people here are a lot younger than i am and dont remember desert storm as clearly. my cousin was over there and one of the last ones to be brought back. these soldiers got on TV and SAID, all your protests make us feel hopeless. no one wants war. that doesnt need to be debated.

people are stupid if they think that the gov't tells us everything. we do NOT know even HALF of what goes on and anyone who thinks we do is terribly naive. we cannot stop war. what we need to do is pray to our various gods that our leaders will do the right thing for ALL people involved, for all the years to come. whether we think that is the right thing or not, like when you are a child and you dont know why your mom or dad wont let you do something. it seems dumb and unfair but when we grow up and know what they know we understand.

We will never know what our leaders know. that is all for the best. we just have to pray for the troups, support them, and hope that the leaders know what they are doing. some situations have no right or wrong. we just have to hope that they will do things in the BEST of the evils that are available to them.

OttawaChris · 02-02-03, 10:04 AM

Whether I think Bush is smart or not... I think he is book smart not street smart. "Most of our imports come from other countries"

Do I think we should spank Iraq? Yes. He has had ample opportunity to come clean and behave. He chose to toy with a dog that obviously wants at him so now he is going to get bitten.

Do I think Canada should be backing the rest of the countries in all this? Yes. They would all likely be backing us had we decided to get into a fight.

I think Hussein is both crazy enough and stupid enough to try and launch some kind of attack on someone. Is it the states? Nah! Its the other American State called Isreal that is in danger. The Americans have held them under their wing for a long time so the Arab nation associates them as one and the same now.

My personal thoughts are that weapons arent the only reason Bush wants in there... thats a front because Iraq has a LOT of oil (something I think we can all commonly gripe about the price of)
Bush knows economics therefore he knows that high oil prices= slow economy.

I would be interested in hearing what a soldier thinks of all this rather than the rest of us that hide behind them and gripe.

tHeGiNo · 02-02-03, 10:21 AM

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people are stupid if they think that the gov't tells us everything. we do NOT know even HALF of what goes on and anyone who thinks we do is terribly naive. we cannot stop war. what we need to do is pray to our various gods that our leaders will do the right thing for ALL people involved, for all the years to come. whether we think that is the right thing or not, like when you are a child and you dont know why your mom or dad wont let you do something. it seems dumb and unfair but when we grow up and know what they know we understand.

That was a very good point, and got me thinking. I really do not want to get involved in this, but I will say I support Bush. I mean she made a very good point when she said that the gov. doesnt tell us everything, and that may say it all. For all we know, Iraq could have been planning a nuclear attack. If the gov. had told us this, we would all be flipping out wouldn't we? That is all as I do not want to start anything

Kathy · 02-02-03, 10:45 AM

I think we were a lot closer to war with the cuban missle crisis. The russians actually had the bombs set up and aimed at the US.

Bush isnt the bad guy in this situation. My sister seems to think that he wants to blow everyone up and that he should be shot. All he is trying to do is stp Sadam from using his weapons of mass destruction on everybody. Everyone knows he has them, they are just hidden. The UN doesn't want to rush into anything without knowing all the details, which is fair, but I think that Bush can see the danger and that it has to be stopped as quickly as possible.

Them and Us · 02-02-03, 12:25 PM

yeah but Saddam has made no formal threat. Andi do not think that Bush's only motive to move into the east is to rid he world of a tyrant and disarm them. i believe there are other motives.

Lisa · 02-02-03, 12:29 PM

tHeGiNo · 02-02-03, 12:29 PM

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yeah but Saddam has made no formal threat. Andi do not think that Bush's only motive to move into the east is to rid he world of a tyrant and disarm them. i believe there are other motives.

Again will all do respect, you know this how? If I am not mistaken you do not work for the government and know everything that is going on. As the previous poster stated, we do NOT know everything that goes on, that is for sure.

V.aw · 02-02-03, 01:04 PM

I dont believe in any wars, but sometimes its unavoidable. Think about it. Right now we have a country that has been caught buying uranium and many other raw materials used for mass destruction. (sorry saadaam isnt buying uranium to make a snowcone machine) I honestly think that all of the discussion about warring Iraq is getting old. I think if they're gonna do it, they should do it. Whatever happened to the element of surprise? All i see on CNN is bush contemplating daily about attacking Iraq.

The thing that worries me more than Iraq is N Korea. They have the resources, they have the manpower, and they have possibly the most pyschotic leader to date.

V.aw · 02-02-03, 01:08 PM

And to add, Alot of people are against the war. USA has a very strict policy on how humans are to be treated, and so does NATO. Iraq isnt complying. They spend more money on their military than they do on their own people. I think thats the main reason Bush is involved. (doesnt mean i like him, but i do agree with him)

N Korea's Kim Lee Jong (spelling?) Spends about 700K a year on average for his wines. (hes an alcoholic) And the average person makes no more than 700$ a year. The situation in Iraq is pretty well the same, i just don't know the figures. Whats wrong with that picture? Starving children deserve to be fought for, someone has to do it.