Ontario Pit Bull Ban Petition

[blindfireak40]

Originally Posted by Corey209

What exactly is wrong with breeding pitbulls?

In America, too many (in my personal experience) litters come about through owner irresponsibility. This in an environment where supply far exceeds demand as is, and thousands are euthanized daily. I have no beef with people who ACTUALLY BREED PIT BULLS; when I finally am able to house a Pit, I'd like to be able to obtain one from a reputable source. I think these breeders should consider changing the focus of their business, but if they are being responsible, I have no issue with it. My problem is with Joe Schmuck who can't be bothered to neuter his Pit and/or contain him properly and now there are half-pit (or more!) puppies popping up all over the neighborhood.

To frame in a herpetological stance: there are probably far more ball pythons in existence than are justified by the demand. However, breeders of balls are not irresponsible, nor doing a disservice, by maintaining proper care, educating their customers, and developing new morphs (or even refining old ones). In contrast, it would be extremely irresponsible indeed for someone to house two balls of breeding age together, and then wind up with a clutch they neither desired nor expected. This, I have an issue with.



Finally, if you are responding to my mock shock at the very top of the post, that's a joke playing off of a minor typo in a post above; the joke is explained in the next paragraph.

[Jendee]

In america Im going to jump on the dont breed pitbull train. Get them fixed!! There are free pit bull spay/nueter clinics everywhere literally 10s of thousands pitbulls are being put down daily!!! Even if you try to screen buyers life happens people go thru unemployment, bankruptcy, divorce and for whatever reason usually new landlord rules, neighbors or lack of adequate fencing people have to get rid of them. Pit bulls should not be bred unless asking a sizeable payment to hopefully attract more stable responsible people. A pet should be life long!

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by Jendee

In america Im going to jump on the dont breed pitbull train. Get them fixed!! There are free pit bull spay/nueter clinics everywhere literally 10s of thousands pitbulls are being put down daily!!! Even if you try to screen buyers life happens people go thru unemployment, bankruptcy, divorce and for whatever reason usually new landlord rules, neighbors or lack of adequate fencing people have to get rid of them. Pit bulls should not be bred unless asking a sizeable payment to hopefully attract more stable responsible people. A pet should be life long!

I will not get my pup neutered, but he will never be around another dog unattended nor out of my yard. I have fencing surrounding my property 100% around that he can not hop over. Pit bulls shouldn't be put into their own little bubble, they're not the only dog being over bred. (not implying you meant pit bulls only)

[Jendee]

I did mean pitbulls...pitbulls are in a FAR lead amongst homeless dogs not being adopted and put down. A very very sad truth. I dont agree with them being labeled as dangerous dogs fact is most people do which is why they are impossible to adopt. Which is why my neighbors refuse to meet my dog. Which is why they die in the thousands everyday. Why not get him nuetered. Over 60% of dog bites are unaltered males. Its healthier for him and much better looking. Pittys are escape artist as well lol let him get bored in a yard and some b*tch go in heat hell find a way

[stephanbakir]

As I stated, I believe the way she does it is one of the only truly responsible ways. She HAZES the prospective buyers, makes sure they are fully aware of what they are getting themselves into and her prices aren't cheap. She makes sure they understand that at any point in the dogs life, if they change their mind or can't take care of him she will take the dog back. She has done it before but its rare that it happens, I do the same with the retics I sell, they aren't for everyone so I make damn sure that I don't just sell to anyone.

[stephanbakir]

I'd also like to point out that when I looked at Petitions - Randy Hillier an hour ago, it was 4921/5000... and now its 5257/7500...
It's like the Big 9 petition of 50,000 we pulled out of our asses in 24 hours that jumped to 100,000

[Little Wise Owl]

I have zero issues with anyone breeding any dog breed responsibly. If done right, a responsibly bred dog will never, ever see a shelter and never need to be rehomed.

[Little Wise Owl]

There was a poll/article in the Ottawa Sun and this was in the comment section:

"I knew a pit bull, sweetest dog I ever met. Then one day someone accidentally ran into the dog and it proceeded to bit the calf and not let go. The dog was put down eventually.

One split second is all it took for this dog to lose it, then lose it's life because of it.
Tell me, who could of stopped that from happening? The dog was so well trained it would play dead on command and still lashed out like it did out of fear.

So your little experience is just yours alone. Fact is these dogs do "lose it" and "snap" and when they do they will destroy the human they attack.

Fact is fear cannot be controlled, if your dog is afraid it will defend itself and it will do some major damage. You owning a monster like this is not responsible or caring at all.

It's plain selfish and ignorant."

This person posted several things like this and it just... astounds me how ignorant some people are about these dogs

[Bloedig]

Originally Posted by Little Wise Owl

I have zero issues with anyone breeding any dog breed responsibly. If done right, a responsibly bred dog will never, ever see a shelter and never need to be rehomed.

That's the exact problem in the US.

I would venture to guess that 1 or 2 out of 100 "breeders" in the US are actually responsible and humane. I work in a "pet related" business and so frequently see and hear of so many irresponsible people breeding dogs it's sickening.

[stephanbakir]

Originally Posted by Bloedig

That's the exact problem in the US.

I would venture to guess that 1 or 2 out of 100 "breeders" in the US are actually responsible and humane. I work in a "pet related" business and so frequently see and hear of so many irresponsible people breeding dogs it's sickening.

1 or 2 of ever 100 (probably much crappier odds then that) breeders of ANY species are irresponsible.

[Jendee]

I don't know if you guys are getting the point though maybe bc in your country its not an epidemic like it is here but its not any breeders are any species.. or responsible people that's clearly not the case. its pit bulls they are dying in mass quantities daily far exceeding any other dog/cat issues! I think it goes like 4 million pets a yr are put down in the US and 1 million are pit bulls alone. infact most shelters kill pit bulls upon arrival while some give a 24 hr hold on pits before being euthinazed. they don't even get a chance for adoption. only 7% of pittys sheltered make it to adoption the other 93% gets put down (pulling frm a 2010 study) Im sure its far worse by now!!
we aren't changing the way people are thinking about this breed quick enough and people are breeding them with no thought in it!! can you look at those puppies your making and picture them in a pile of dead dogs at a shelter!! ugh the whole pit bull thing makes me sooo upset. Its also another known stastic that pitbulls have the best personality scores..average for a pitbull is 82% while "other" breeds average at 77% not much but enough for me to use in every pitty argument I get into haha
its soooo sad!! I wish you can just make a wish and change the world but you cant

[stephanbakir]

Can you cite any of these studies?

[Jendee]

google it lol that's what I did youll find these studies for every yr!! the earliest I found was 2010.

[Hurrok]

Signed! Hopefully this pulls through

[stephanbakir]

I think the goal is full of crap, the goal was 5k then jumped to 7500, the same thing happened with the big 9 bill and they claimed we never reached the goal... jumped from 50,000 to 100,000