Oh my god

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by DOBERMAN

Right..... so you wanted to show up, have all the conditions perfect, pet the reptiles and get paid?
Look. obviously there is work to do there - for the sake of the animals welfare. In the time you spent taking pictures, crying, and getting your tattoo finished then going online to get somebody in trouble and to get other people (authorities) to handle the situation, making phone calls etc. contacting sponsors who may now revoke their support which may have been the only way of getting these animals fed..... you could have got those cages cleaned up, filled water bowls, and gave fresh food - that was your job right????
Its obvious the guy got behind in the duties, hence why he would have posted a job offer.
Sorry, this isn't the warm and fuzzy supportive post you were looking for. I'm old school and see the way things are going these days with the young crowd and their perspective on things. Nothings getting done because too many people are spending time trying to get other people to do things for them.

Me and you have had a couple of rounds but I think you're spot on here.

Dino you had a prime opportunity to make a positive change but let two things get in the way: your emotions and money. Go back do what you can and make a difference. Keep fighting for what they need but you already had that opportunity in palm of your hands and you have seeemed to have thrown it away.

Also telling people to f*** off tends to get people banned around here.

[jarich]

Doberman, it sounds like you are projecting a problem you have with "young people" onto this situation, without it having any applicability. What you suggest isnt going to change the situation, and would just be a bandaid. Doing all that work for zero pay on somebody else's business is ludicrous. It would be one thing if it was your own, but for someone else's business? As if. What if someone came to you and said that your job was now a volunteer position. Would you still do it just because youre 'old school'? I highly doubt it. Its obvious the owner of this place hasnt done his job and should have his business shut down and shouldve been shut down ages ago. Those conditions are present because the owner of that business/'shelter' is too lazy to fix his own business.

To be honest, it sounds like the best thing for most of these animals would be to close the place down and euthanize them. At least they wouldnt have to continue suffering.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by jarich

Doberman, it sounds like you are projecting a problem you have with "young people" onto this situation, without it having any applicability. What you suggest isnt going to change the situation, and would just be a bandaid. Doing all that work for zero pay on somebody else's business is ludicrous. It would be one thing if it was your own, but for someone else's business? As if. What if someone came to you and said that your job was now a volunteer position. Would you still do it just because youre 'old school'? I highly doubt it. Its obvious the owner of this place hasnt done his job and should have his business shut down and shouldve been shut down ages ago. Those conditions are present because the owner of that business/'shelter' is too lazy to fix his own business.

To be honest, it sounds like the best thing for most of these animals would be to close the place down and euthanize them. At least they wouldnt have to continue suffering.

My question about all of what you said is, did she or did she not sign papers about working there? Is there no law about giving notice to a place you work at before quitting? Can someone not be taken to small claims court for the money owed if she did the work?

I get the tragic issues at hand. I find it funny that people worry about UVB when apparently they are in the sun all the time. That's what UVB is for. (Note I don't mean that they shouldn't have a covered, cooler area to go to though.)

[DeesBalls]

I know where I work and such, you can leave a job with no notice... so
Some states may be different.. I'm in Ohio.

[cgillis]

I work with reptiles here in Tucson and someone sent me this link through my facebook page. I would like to talk to the original poster about this situations and possible solutions that would not involve peta. Please email me through facebook.com/reptilecharlotte

[infernalis]

or just continue the discussion right here......

[TucsonRES]

I would contact PACC and Az Game & Fish. They should be able to point you in the right direction on who to contact to have those animals removed from their care.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

No, he didnt get behind, he has NO EFIN clue how to house them or even take care of them, the phoenix herp society has gotten too many calls but with no pics they cant do crap. So you bugger off. Stop starting drama on me. I did what I thought was right so ef off.

Hey, you may be upset but cool it. There is no need to be rude. If you have no issue with the way you handled the situation than there is no reason to act like a petulant teenager when someone disagrees.

[dinosaurdammit]

Originally Posted by infernalis

or just continue the discussion right here......

Actually I just had a phone conversation with her. Very nice woman who knows her stuff. I hopefully will be meeting her at 5 to further discuss maters and how to handle them.

[dinosaurdammit]

Ok so I am going to be talking to a local news outlet about how reptiles get a bad rap and how they are smart and do feel pain and do require the same humane treatment as the fluffy critters on earth.

So during my tv thing I want to know:
what are some common myths that NEED to be debunked
what are some things that are told that are just flat out wrong
what are toxic foods
anything else you guys feel people would benefit from hearing


things are getting done- heck yea seaking

[Aaron_S]

Snakes aren't slimey!

We don't all listen to heavy metal!

[Corey209]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

We don't all listen to heavy metal!

Didn't know this was a myth about reptile keepers, I personally can't stand heavy metal

[alessia55]

Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

Ok so I am going to be talking to a local news outlet about how reptiles get a bad rap and how they are smart and do feel pain and do require the same humane treatment as the fluffy critters on earth.

So during my tv thing I want to know:
what are some common myths that NEED to be debunked
what are some things that are told that are just flat out wrong
what are toxic foods
anything else you guys feel people would benefit from hearing


things are getting done- heck yea seaking

The most common myths/wrong info about snakes that I've been told/asked:

- Most snakes have fangs/most snake bites will hurt you severely (and/or
envenomate you and/or kill you)
- Snakes carry salmonella and will make you sick
- ALL pythons and boas grow to be HUGE and can/will eat you; basically most non-reptile people don't know that there are boas that stay really small (sand boas) and pythons that won't eat you (ball pythons, etc).

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Snakes aren't slimey!

We don't all listen to heavy metal!

Hey wait. I love old metal

Back on topic. Without bashing or being ugly could you not have had more impact on the animals well being by staying and fixing it? Running away and telling everyone leaves all of these animals to rot until help arrives. You should have cleaned the pens and instructed the keeper on proper care. Then call the news. They obviously needed your help and just like their former owners you abandoned them and left them to suffer. Chairity aid is seldom pretty. You should go back and help.
I can imagine you were not expecting these responses but the truth is you could have been the hero those animals needed but you ran away. Next time fight for them. Do what needs to be done then complain and call everyone you can.
Sorry you had a hard lesson but this is common

[dinosaurdammit]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

Hey wait. I love old metal

Back on topic. Without bashing or being ugly could you not have had more impact on the animals well being by staying and fixing it? Running away and telling everyone leaves all of these animals to rot until help arrives. You should have cleaned the pens and instructed the keeper on proper care. Then call the news. They obviously needed your help and just like their former owners you abandoned them and left them to suffer. Chairity aid is seldom pretty. You should go back and help.
I can imagine you were not expecting these responses but the truth is you could have been the hero those animals needed but you ran away. Next time fight for them. Do what needs to be done then complain and call everyone you can.
Sorry you had a hard lesson but this is common

have you seen my body condition? I cannot phyisically lift the weight asked of me to do. I tried to instruct but he kept telling me I was wrong. I WILL not go back, I cannot emotionally see animals like that and a man think its totally ok and I am wrong being berated for not knowing "my stuff".

i am getting another rescue involved into helping the animals. I cannot physically do the work. HALF A TON of garbage to be mucked out. The mold attacked my asthma and I am hightly allergic to pistachios and bananas and without an epipen im screwed. I am working with authorities to fix it. There is not a dang thing I personally can do to fix it. Why is everyone jumping on me to be the hero I cannot be? How bout you all go stop world hunger because thats about the same impossibility here for me anyway.