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12-28-12, 04:18 AM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
Okay....take all of that information you have digested from many sources and use what YOU want....There's always more than one way that seems to work....
I suggested what I do and you do not have to follow it. I've been pretty successful in raising snakes from neonates to over 20 years of age.
Read my caresheet when you have time......and my Reptiles Magazine article...it applies to every colubrid I've kept. Both are on my website......It's alot of reading but many years of trial and error went into the write ups.....
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12-28-12, 04:45 AM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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Okay....take all of that information you have digested from many sources and use what YOU want....There's always more than one way that seems to work....
I suggested what I do and you do not have to follow it. I've been pretty successful in raising snakes from neonates to over 20 years of age.
Read my caresheet when you have time......and my Reptiles Magazine article...it applies to every colubrid I've kept. Both are on my website......It's alot of reading but many years of trial and error went into the write ups.....
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Okay, thanks. If the current enclosure is large enough for it right now, as it doesn't appear to be very big yet, I might leave it in there and then get a 30 gallon once it's bigger.
Quick question: I've read part of the caresheet so far, and you mentioned a humid hide with moss; will Eco Earth work? I already have that, and I'm told it holds humidity better. But if that isn't sufficient, I can order some moss.
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12-28-12, 06:04 AM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
I can't speak on the difference between moss and eco earth but I would say eco earth will work just fine. I use eco earth and it holds humidity like none other.
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12-28-12, 02:47 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
Another newbie question for anyone, so forgive me. Do kings need a UVB light? I have one that I just put on my leo's tank since my turtle passed, but she doesn't really need it. Some things I've found say yes, and some say no, so I just want to be clear on this.
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I can't speak on the difference between moss and eco earth but I would say eco earth will work just fine. I use eco earth and it holds humidity like none other.
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I know, right? I love the stuff. 
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12-28-12, 09:25 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
Eco earth or anything that holds moisture will work for a humid hide.
No lighting at all is needed for kings and it is actually best to not use one at all. The heat source should be back or belly heat that can be isolated to create a thermal gradient.
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12-28-12, 09:37 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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Eco earth or anything that holds moisture will work for a humid hide.
No lighting at all is needed for kings and it is actually best to not use one at all. The heat source should be back or belly heat that can be isolated to create a thermal gradient.
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Okay, I hadn't really planned to use lighting since I've been told that animals with red eyes are more sensitive to light. Just wanted to make sure UVB wasn't necessary.
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12-28-12, 10:22 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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Okay, thanks. If the current enclosure is large enough for it right now, as it doesn't appear to be very big yet, I might leave it in there and then get a 30 gallon once it's bigger.
Quick question: I've read part of the caresheet so far, and you mentioned a humid hide with moss; will Eco Earth work? I already have that, and I'm told it holds humidity better. But if that isn't sufficient, I can order some moss.
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My ecoearth keeps moisture very well, it took a few weeks before it dried out.
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12-28-12, 10:54 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
it looks like there is a faint white line going down his back? he might be an albino striped california king he's a gorgeous little guy 30 gallon is fine but the more room the better i say cali's are wonderful
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12-28-12, 11:01 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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it looks like there is a faint white line going down his back? he might be an albino striped california king he's a gorgeous little guy 30 gallon is fine but the more room the better i say cali's are wonderful
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I dunno. The only other picture available is this one:
It's hard to say. I'm probably gonna be picking her up Sunday, so we'll see then. 
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12-29-12, 02:49 AM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
It's a striped desert phase amel.
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12-29-12, 02:52 AM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
The more room the better is not true.....
Lampropeltis live underground. They come to the surface for moisture and temps. They are only found foraging above ground at night. Or they are found under cover during the day. They are secretive animals that love small/tight hides because they can dehydrate easily if their entire body is exposed for long periods......Moisture is lost through their skin and absorbed through their skin......the reason for providing a humidity gradient as well.......Again, just my experiences......
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12-29-12, 02:59 AM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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Originally Posted by Jlassiter
The more room the better is not true.....
Lampropeltis live underground. They come to the surface for moisture and temps. They are only found foraging above ground at night. Or they are found under cover during the day. They are secretive animals that love small/tight hides because they can dehydrate easily if their entire body is exposed for long periods......Moisture is lost through their skin and absorbed through their skin......the reason for providing a humidity gradient as well.......Again, just my experiences......
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Wouldn't that speak more to hides and a burrowing substrate than to size of enclosure though?
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12-29-12, 04:53 AM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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Wouldn't that speak more to hides and a burrowing substrate than to size of enclosure though?
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But why have a huge "terrarium" when the snake doesn't necessarily need to use all of it?
And yes that speaks more to hides and substrate, etc. But there is no need for you to set up a large enclosure like this.....Just one that half of its perimeter is equal to the snake......but, again.....do what you like this is just my advice.......
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12-29-12, 02:59 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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But why have a huge "terrarium" when the snake doesn't necessarily need to use all of it?
And yes that speaks more to hides and substrate, etc. But there is no need for you to set up a large enclosure like this.....Just one that half of its perimeter is equal to the snake......but, again.....do what you like this is just my advice.......
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I'm just speaking hypothetically. I don't have a flat surface (besides the floor) big enough for a huge setup. I'm just going to be getting a 30 gallon. I'm looking around for a used one, but if I can't find one, I'll just pick one up at the store.
The owner said she's 3 feet at 2 years, so would it be possible to estimate her full size based on that?
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12-29-12, 03:38 PM
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Re: Kingsnake Housing
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The owner said she's 3 feet at 2 years, so would it be possible to estimate her full size based on that?
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Size depends on husbandry, genetics, amount of prey, etc....
Some people have 4 foot long 2 year olds some have 2 foot long 2 year olds........
She's actually a pretty good size for a 2 year old......
The best thing to do is increase your enclosure size as it grows......Instead of trying to guess how big it will be in the future......
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