Het albino retic question - Page 2

**lady_bug87** · 11-24-12, 10:49 AM

I read this and my brain exploded. One day I want someone to sit down with me, and explain it to me like I am an idiot because I cannot understand genetics but I find it so interesting

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I read this and my brain exploded. One day I want someone to sit down with me, and explain it to me like I am an idiot because I cannot understand genetics but I find it so interesting

Clark strain and Anthrax/Graniteback/Shatterback are the only ones in retics that are currently confusing as hell. The only other one with a big question mark is "will there be a super motley?".

**lady_bug87** · 11-24-12, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Clark strain and Anthrax/Graniteback/Shatterback are the only ones in retics that are currently confusing as hell. The only other one with a big question mark is "will there be a super motley?".

..... ok.
You know I am super bad with this so I am going to smile and nod now

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

..... ok.
You know I am super bad with this so I am going to smile and nod now

What do you want to know? I'll do my best to help.

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:05 AM

What about before or after the fire? I just spoke with him two weeks ago when I asked.

Thanks, still looking for a link. Will a FB discussion thread suffice? Most of the retic discussion that I'm a part of takes place there and the accompanying forum isn't exactly active.

**Aaron_S** · 11-24-12, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

What about before or after the fire? I just spoke with him two weeks ago when I asked.

Thanks, still looking for a link. Will a FB discussion thread suffice? Most of the retic discussion that I'm a part of takes place there and the accompanying forum isn't exactly active.

As long as I don't have join any groups.

I wasn't sure if he was operational yet or not.

YOU'RE WELCOME for the detective work of the original albino for you lol

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:11 AM

I don't think you do to see posts, lol.
As far as I know he's opperational, I do know he had two facilities at the time of the fire and had a lot of his younger animals survive.
I requested pics of the original albino, you requested further citations, even trade isn't it?

**lady_bug87** · 11-24-12, 11:15 AM

Ohh its a disaster I cant wrap my head around any of it. not Ball Python genetics, not Boa genetics, not anything

**millertime89** · 11-24-12, 11:17 AM

Best I can do for now, I'll get you the FB link this afternoon, gotta run.

**Aaron_S** · 11-24-12, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Best I can do for now, I'll get you the FB link this afternoon, gotta run.

I can't even read that. Thanks for not much.

**millertime89** · 11-26-12, 03:50 PM

well you don't want to join a forum... I'll host it tonight on photobucket.

I JUST found the FB link. 651 posts, have fun.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1130...3053560792582/

Here's when I asked. I generally trust Paul, but I'm not sure if I agree with him this time.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1130...tal_comments=8

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

well you don't want to join a forum... I'll host it tonight on photobucket.

I JUST found the FB link. 651 posts, have fun.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1130...3053560792582/

Here's when I asked. I generally trust Paul, but I'm not sure if I agree with him this time.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1130...tal_comments=8

Bookmarked for fun later.

I never said I didn't want to join a forum. I said groups on facebook since that's where you said it originally came from.

reptileexperts · 11-26-12, 04:37 PM

From a genetic standpoint it makes sense that you would get all three phases by breeding a lavender to labender. However, breeding a lavender to a het brings up a different question as to what you get. From my general assumptions on how this works, lets do some basic genetics to assign stuff and help break it down. Purple = PP, White = WW, Lavander = PW. Therefor simple mendalion principle alone tells us the rest.

PP x PP = all purple
PW X PW = All three
PP x PW = Purples and Lavs
WW x PP = All Lavs
PW x WW = Whites and Lavs...

However, unless bob hit the amazing gold mine with a trisomy albino from the wild containing 3 copies of the gene, that would be the only explination of why his result of a het made a difference, but then even one of the hets he bred to would have to somehow be a non-visual double carrier for that to work!?

Oh well, if you have a question how I got the stuff above just ask. Genetics need not be difficult!

**millertime89** · 11-26-12, 08:15 PM

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However, unless bob hit the amazing gold mine with a trisomy albino from the wild containing 3 copies of the gene, that would be the only explination of why his result of a het made a difference, but then even one of the hets he bred to would have to somehow be a non-visual double carrier for that to work!?

That's why I think its two different compatible genes. Wouldn't be the first time a reticulated python was proven with two different genes. NERD recently proved that their Ghost Stripe morph was two different morphs, Orange Ghost Stripe (OGS) a recessive, and Phantom Stripe, an incomplete dom. For what its worth a Cow Retic is Phantom Stripe het Orange Ghost Stripe. Jay Brewer at PP proved that Anthrax, at least the ones that he got, are two different genes, Anthrax a recessive, and Shatter, a co-dom, but NERD still thinks Graniteback (what Jay is calling Shatter) is the co-dom and Anthrax is the super.

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 06:06 AM

From a genetic stand point - any gene that produces a visual result with only ONE copy of the gene present, that gene is said to be dominant. Now, whether or not we go into incomplete dominance vs co-dominant vs simple dominance is a whole different factor. It has been argued that Pied in ball pythons should be considered a co-dominant because you can visually distinguish het pied from normals due to markers. These markers are a visual representation of that gene meaning that it has expression. Recessive genes CAN NOT have expression with just a single copy - Anthrax is not recessive. Granite Back is Shatter and IS Co-Dom based on this theory alone. Titanium is another one that could be considered co-dom, because Citron (het tit) is distinguishable from a normal by itself. Again, a true recessive is something like Albino which does not produce any visual results with one copy of the gene. Make sense?