The great fish tank debate - Page 2

Terranaut · 11-19-12, 12:39 PM

Well I have glass tanks,pvc and wood enclosures and although my pvc vivs are the best my others are not far behind and cost WAY WAY LESS. It also depends on what type of snake is being kept. Moding the lid from wire is only needed if the snake has humidity requirements.
I can't knock any of them. They all have their place. I modded a 90 gallon and will post pics when I get home from work.

Danimal · 11-19-12, 12:47 PM

I don't see what's debatable really. If you don't like them, you aren't going to use them.
If you do like them, then you are. In all cases there is a question of husbandry. If you are a successful keeper then your husband dictates the path. If the end result is proper husbandry then how you get there shouldn't really matter as long as the result is proper.

I think when folks come here and are told that they need to spend another few hundred dollars to fix this grave mistake they have made is just wrong. First of all that is an opinion not a fact. This is going to put some people off and that doesn't do the animal any good. Give them options. Cover the screen first…… for example and help them work through the husbandry. If they understand the husbandry then they will learn to work through their own problems. Especially those that just want to be told the answer.

Their circumstance may not work with a tank or it may be fine. What works for me may not work for you for a ton of reasons. So assuming is a mistake. Teach the proper husbandry and the rest will take care of itself.

MoreliAddict · 11-19-12, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

This argument can also be used against tubs. Jussayin.

Actually, you can come in from a better angle using tubs.

Not on their level, like when using a front opening a enclosure, but still a better angle than a fish tank..

@Danimal - This thread will be great for people who are willing to spend the money and are trying to decide between the two.

SpOoKy · 11-19-12, 12:52 PM

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I don't see what's debatable really. If you don't like them, you aren't going to use them.
If you do like them, then you are. In all cases there is a question of husbandry. If you are a successful keeper then your husband dictates the path. If the end result is proper husbandry then how you get there shouldn't really matter as long as the result is proper.

I think when folks come here and are told that they need to spend another few hundred dollars to fix this grave mistake they have made is just wrong. First of all that is an opinion not a fact. This is going to put some people off and that doesn't do the animal any good. Give them options. Cover the screen first…… for example and help them work through the husbandry. If they understand the husbandry then they will learn to work through their own problems. Especially those that just want to be told the answer.

Their circumstance may not work with a tank or it may be fine. What works for me may not work for you for a ton of reasons. So assuming is a mistake. Teach the proper husbandry and the rest will take care of itself.

Perfect way of explaining it.
I do have some of my snakes in tanks, but they are set up to properly house them. There is a way to make them work, there just needs to be some minor adjustments made.
It is far better to help someone make the best of their situation rather then stomp them down off the start. Teach them how to improve their tank set up and in time they may realize for themselves that it is not ideal and make the switch on their own.

jarich · 11-19-12, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreliAddict

Actually, you can come in from a better angle using tubs.

Not on their level, like when using a front opening a enclosure, but still a better angle than a fish tank..

How is that possible? Tub or tank, both have lids on top. Besides, I can easily grab my python out of my 90 gallon tank from the side, without needing to reach him from on top. Not that he would care either way...

MoreliAddict · 11-19-12, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

How is that possible? Tub or tank, both have lids on top. Besides, I can easily grab my python out of my 90 gallon tank from the side, without needing to reach him from on top. Not that he would care either way...

Tanks (generally speaking) have higher walls.

Also you can pull a tub right out of a rack system which makes it a bit easier, too..

KORBIN5895 · 11-19-12, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreliAddict

Tanks (generally speaking) have higher walls.

Also you can pull a tub right out of a rack system which makes it a bit easier, too..

Wow. Both points are irrelevant to your original statement and the following question.

MoreliAddict · 11-19-12, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Wow. Both points are irrelevant to your original statement and the following question.

Oh really? How so?

KORBIN5895 · 11-19-12, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreliAddict

Oh really? How so?

What does a sliding tub have to do with reaching in fro the top?

Also making a generalized statement about wall height is irrelevant. Look at the tubs Chuck uses for his big snakes. They have 18" sides.

Danimal · 11-19-12, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreliAddict

@Danimal - This thread will be great for people who are willing to spend the money and are trying to decide between the two.

I get that and totally agree. I am not arguing against anything other than the shortsightedness of some of the help given out here. I am simply requesting folks take a little wider view. So much about enclosures is subjective. Some people are minimalist and some people fill the thing to the brim with naturalistic environment. Some like furniture quality enclosures and some build the cages that look like they belong in a shanty town.

Even the reach from above defense is subjective. Not saying it's wrong, just saying that if reaching in from above were a big problem, seems like there would be more anecdotal evidence to suggest this is a problem. I never had a problem with it when I had snakes but I have a couple of large male bearded dragons that adopt defensive posture from above or from the side but they never bite. You could argue that just because the snake doesn't get defensive, that doesn't mean it's not stressed and you would be right but no more right than someone that argues the opposite. In this case I still think is comes down to husbandry but also the individual animal itself. As for my dragons it's probably because I don't handle them except if I need to.

If the individual animal shows behavior that you can directly link to the enclosure then proper husbandry would dictate moving that animal to a more stress free environment, new enclosure.
However, without at least the anecdotal evidence to suggest that all snakes or even a specific species of snakes are always stressed because of this, I think discounting a certain kind of enclosure is premature.

MoreliAddict · 11-19-12, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

What does a sliding tub have to do with reaching in fro the top?

Also making a generalized statement about wall height is irrelevant. Look at the tubs Chuck uses for his big snakes. They have 18" sides.

You never answered my question though. How were my points irrelevant?

Danimal · 11-19-12, 02:39 PM

Come on people now, smile on your brother
Everybody get together,try to love one another
Right now

Jay · 11-19-12, 03:00 PM

You can avoid going in from the top of a tub by just removing the tub and dumping the snake out.

KORBIN5895 · 11-19-12, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreliAddict

Lol why are you descending into personal attacks? Posts like ^THAT are the problem with this forum. That's literally asking for nothing but drama. Grow up.

Both of my points that you picked on were about removing a snake from said enclosure. They're not irrelevant just because you disagree with them.

Wall height changes the angle which you can approach the animal at. Having the freedom to pull the tub out, and place it at any height, and being able to approach it from any direction helps too. - How were either of those points irrelevant to pulling snakes out of tanks vs tubs??

I put it there plainly for you to see why they were irrelevant to your original post and jarich's question. If you can't read the text and comprehend what I said my last statement is true. If you can read it and try to redirect well it fell flat.

I can grab a ten gallon tank and place it at any height so that nullifies that point. And a five gallon tank has walls around eight inches tall so that affects the angle of approach. Next irrelevant point?

MoreliAddict · 11-19-12, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

You can avoid going in from the top of a tub by just removing the tub and dumping the snake out.

Exactly. Removing the tub to extract the snake helps for obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I put it there plainly for you to see why they were irrelevant to your original post and jarich's question. If you can't read the text and comprehend what I said my last statement is true. If you can read it and try to redirect well it fell flat.

I can grab a ten gallon tank and place it at any height so that nullifies that point. And a five gallon tank has walls around eight inches tall so that affects the angle of approach. Next irrelevant point?

You'd have to dissemble your jerry-rigged fish tank and do some heavy lifting to just move it anywhere. lmao

Tubs in general do have very low wall height. Yes I said in general, but it's still a true statement.

Next bitchy condescending response?