Snakes around the neck? - Page 2

Toronto1977 · 08-13-12, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

So what is it they feel for when constricting live prey?

I have no clue what a snake feels for when constricting its prey Wildside lol. That is probably a better question for a herpetologist.

Kaetlinv · 08-13-12, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Toronto1977

I'm not sure if the detection of your pulse would trigger a snake to squeeze. But the photo above is exactly what NOT to do with a more powerful snake, as it is fully wraped around her entire neck.

I agree - Anything bigger than a BP, don't do this please. >XD If this one gets any bigger I won't even do it with her, haha. But she's fine, been doing this with her since she was a baby.

Hurrok · 08-13-12, 04:58 PM

Honestly I have nothing against it, at all. I do it all the time with my BP's except for one whom is always tense and has no interest in human interaction LOL. But otherwise, generally speaking it's at your own risk and for me it doesn't make my views any different or my choice to put a snake around my neck. Although a BP or a snake similar to the size is the biggest I would do that with.

How exactly would a snake be able to get those pressure points around the neck? I can understand a larger snake, but they are most likely going to choke you out rather than putting pressure on those points. I would imagine that they would have to be in the same spot for a bit of time anyways for it to have an effect? You could say that a scarf could do damage....but again if you tighten it that much it's going to choke you...not hit pressure points. Again, I think it all comes down to the person, their views, and the reptile itself.

bigsnakegirl785 · 08-13-12, 05:01 PM

I don't let either of my snakes completely around my neck, because I like to have full mobility of my neck. My boa constrictor, I don't feel comfortable having around my neck because he's so small I can't tell if he's getting ready to fall or not. If I'm cleaning my ball python's cage or doing things that require both of my hands (such as opening the door or moving things out of my way), I put him on my shoulders. Of course, the first thing he wants to do is crawl down my back and onto the floor, then start exploring. (He's a handful

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Wildside · 08-13-12, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toronto1977

I have no clue what a snake feels for when constricting its prey Wildside lol. That is probably a better question for a herpetologist.

I've always thought it was the pulse. Makes sense doesn't it?

Toronto1977 · 08-13-12, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Okay asi am the one that "freaks out" whenever i see a picture inwill explain why, again

Before my accident i was training as a MMA cage fighter, my sensei had the thought that in a fight situation it is quite often the case that you will be "put out" and the first reactioon is panic, in a fight situation you are A) expecting it and B) flooded with adrenaline. He therefore decided that we should all experience being put out inorder to understand our bodys reaction.

When he did we were relaxed and had barely any adrenaline pumping, we sat on the floor facing inwards in a circle and he walked around behind us and out us out, when he did it to me a had no recollection or thought about being touched, one minute i was sat, the next i woke up laid out on the floor.

NOW, i am NOT suggesting snakes are ninjas, nor am insuggesting that they are trying to knock you out. What i am suggesting is that it is POSSIBLE that the snake can accidently trigger the pressure points in order to knock you out cold.

You will have no time to grab the snake, or to catch yourself, it DOES NOT need to strangle you, this is a totally separate thing to being put out - watch UFC the fighters are unconscious fully but STILL BREATHING. To strangle someone takes a lot more pressure and a lot more time.

When you are put out you WILL hit the deck hard, then either the snake will slither off and disappear whilst you come round - this is probably best case scenario. OR you could smash your head on the way down and really hurt yourself, OR you could land onthe snake and hurt it.

The final scenario is that as you fall and hit the deck the snake panics and wraps you around the neck hard to stabilise itself, and then whilst you are unconscious it continues to hold on in which case you dont come round and our hobby takes a hit in the media.

As i always say it is YOUR CHOICE but is it worth the risk?? Not in my opinion.

As a fellow martial artist and one who has also been "put out" by a sleeper hold I totally agree with you. I'm also a proponent of safety first and I don't put my snakes around my neck either. Although you are describing worst case scenarios, and the chances of a Cornsnake knocking one out would be extremely rare. A spooked large fully grown Royal could potentially be a different story.

DeesBalls · 08-13-12, 05:37 PM

I agree with Rob, while i am not in martial arts or anything, just my schooling for nursing school i know of all the blood vessels, stuff that runs through the neck area... if blood flow gets cut off, your down. Also I know people in Martial arts, and armed servecies, and they all have been put down ( i have been too by a army friend) and you are OUT, then you dont recall anything...

we are not saying the snakes are OUT to get us... or that the bigger ones will more offen, but its a risk that can potentially happen by accident...

CDN_Blood · 08-13-12, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

I've always thought it was the pulse. Makes sense doesn't it?

They tighten when they have the opportunity, such as when prey exhales and fights. It's only when the prey has stopped moving that they relax their grip. I don't really think they're sensitive enough to feel a pulse, and if they are, I think they're entirely too focused on the attack to think about that, lol.

Terranaut · 08-13-12, 05:55 PM

My take on this ...
Should you put a snake around your neck? No!!
Do we beed to discuss it in every thread? No.
Lets stop killing the dead horse. Put this info into the forum rules or make it a sticky or whatever. I doubt people tell others not to speed on tuner forums or not to feed the bears on hiker sites.
Nobody questions your motives but the broken record is getting a bit out of hand.
Lets find another way. A sticky you can reply with. One line one link. End of discussion.

SSSSnakes · 08-13-12, 06:11 PM

I'm not for putting snakes around your neck either, but lets get real, the possibility of a Ball Python doing any real damage around your neck is very slim. If we really want to get overly careful, then why don't we warn people about holding their snake when they are outside. I mean if you are holding a snake outside, a hawk may see it and swoop down to attack it and miss and rip your throat out. I think the two scenarios are both just as likely and both just as unlikely to happen. Common sense people.

Kaetlinv · 08-13-12, 06:12 PM

I don't believe it's being discussed in 'Every thread', as you put it. I asked a question and it was off-topic of the thread. Someone wanted to address it further on their own and made the thread. People can make what threads they want and discuss what they want. No one 'needs' to discuss at all but we are, so we should be allowed to discuss what we wish.

Let me offer my opinion...

Should you put a snake around your neck? Ideally, no, but it mainly depends on the snake and how comfortable you are with handling the specific snake in question. In Marvel's case, Marvel chose to hold a rather large snake and it got spooked unexpectedly. I personally wouldn't put anything larger than an adult BP around my neck, and considering the growth rate of my female BP, I might not hold her around my neck if she gets much larger.

In the end it's up to the handler to take that risk. Yes, there is danger in doing so with larger snakes, however the likelihood that your snake will magically hit that pressure point with their flat, wide bellies is really not that high. I've never heard of someone getting hurt from a python hitting a pressure point. I'd only ever heard of the danger of a snake choking someone, and you can prevent a smaller constrictor from choking you. Larger, perhaps not, but it's all about the snake and the handler combo.

Jlassiter · 08-13-12, 06:17 PM

I agree to never do this for another reason.....
Real keepers let their snakes be snakes....they aren't pets you can call by name and they won't do tricks.....

They are snakes......but, sure some seem to be domesticated (BPs & corns mainly).

As a breeder, I have seen the snakes that are less domesticated make better breeders, feeders and overall captives that will not become ill 'all of a sudden' nor will they have the common captive problems we all read about on the internet.

RandyRhoads · 08-13-12, 06:23 PM

Some people can be asymptomatic with one completely occluded internal carotid artery. There's the vertebral arteries to perfuse the brain. I realy don't see anything like balls or corns causing enough pressure to occlude both arteries enough to cause you to hit the deck. Maybe lightheadedness and dizziness at worst? In the rare chance that one decided to constrict i'd say you have a good amount of time to unwrap it before you hit the ground. The "pressure points" like cross collar/ rear chokes are just that, points, not even circumfrential pressure.

Norm66 · 08-13-12, 06:31 PM

I never do it with any larger snake. Not because I truly believe one might hit on some ninja pressure point and knock me out but because a) I hate the feeling of being choked, even he very slightest bit, and b) I feel like a snake all the way around my neck has too much control over the situation and I greatly prefer to be in control at all times.

Little snakes I don't worry about. In fact I've let my carpet do it until very recently but its over now because he's over 4' and it can be murder to unwrap that tail when es anchored on. My BCI will shortly lose the privilege as well. But my SD retic still gets to do it because he's still finger-thin.

**Pareeeee** · 08-13-12, 06:33 PM

I think it's a bad idea to say, put a full grown RTB, Retic or Boa Constrictor around your neck. I personally don't, however, see a problem with a BP or Corn (unless you're a kid or really small and frail). My husband is a Martial Artist, and he also knows how to manipulate pressure points. He helps me get rid of headaches, uses them to help me fall asleep, etc. Doing these exercises he presses harder on the points than a BP or Corn could, and I don't pass out...

I would be more concerned with being choked by a snake than having pressure points manipulated.