Pro-Hybrid Discussion Thread - Page 2

MDT · 07-12-12, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

The Coelens are cool (not a fan of the name though!). He's got them on sale right now to help fund Sean Bradley's medical bills. If I had $1200 lying around...

No doubt. Great snake a good cause.

DragonsEye · 07-12-12, 04:47 PM

That Carpondros is intriguing.

The orange IMPERIAL PUEBLAN and orange THAYERI KINGSNAKE X PUEBLAN MILKSNAKE X CORSNAKE X BANANA CALIFORNIA KINGSNAKE are lovely. The second more so for my tastes.

The head on the top snake in the photo Moshirimon linked to was incredibly cool, IMO. It reminded me of a skull.

marvelfreak · 07-12-12, 06:20 PM

So on doing a little studying i found out Boas and Pythons have been breed together.

A few years back a male White Lipped was crossed with a female BRB. After a couple month the BRB got so big her belly literately burst open killing her.

Another guy breed a male Green anaconda to a female Burmese. She laid eggs and all was looking good until a power outage. Which cause them to all die in the incubator.

I also found out NERDS is got something in the works.

exwizard · 07-12-12, 06:22 PM

That blows my mind. Idk what to make of that.

exwizard · 07-12-12, 06:31 PM

These are a few examples of why I love Carpondros.

alessia55 · 07-12-12, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

A few years back a male White Lipped was crossed with a female BRB. After a couple month the BRB got so big her belly literately burst open killing her.

That's AWFUL!

CK SandBoas · 07-12-12, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

So on doing a little studying i found out Boas and Pythons have been breed together.

A few years back a male White Lipped was crossed with a female BRB. After a couple month the BRB got so big her belly literately burst open killing her.

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What a truly horrible ending

StudentoReptile · 07-13-12, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

So on doing a little studying i found out Boas and Pythons have been breed together.

A few years back a male White Lipped was crossed with a female BRB. After a couple month the BRB got so big her belly literately burst open killing her.

Another guy breed a male Green anaconda to a female Burmese. She laid eggs and all was looking good until a power outage. Which cause them to all die in the incubator.

I also found out NERDS is got something in the works.

I remain skeptical of any claims of oviparous x viviparous species hybrids.

Marvel, do you have references of those crossings? Surely a hybrid of that magnitude would have been pretty newsworthy in the reptile industry and this is the first I've heard of it. I would definitely like to know more.

Thinking about it more, I can certainly believe that someone tried the crossing and placed a male anaconda with a female Burm. However, we know that snakes can retain sperm, and its possible the female could have been paired up with a male Burm the same season before she became gravid. So its not conclusive the eggs were fertilized by the anaconda. Again, I'd like to know more about this story, and truthfully, unless there's photos of the hybrid itself, I'm calling baloney on this one.

Same goes for the white-lipped x BRB cross.

Marvel, its not a knock against you or anything. Its just the egg-laying x live-birthing species cross doesn't seem plausible IMHO. The species are just too genetically different.

marvelfreak · 07-13-12, 08:44 AM

Here is the site and thread in which it is talk about. It on page 2 and 3. I was wrong it was a African Rock not a Burmese.
Hybrid Haven.net • View topic - has anybody ever tried to breed a python to a boa?

shaunyboy · 07-13-12, 09:08 AM

i know theres at leasty one guy,who successfully crossed a carpet python with a blood python.....

imo,they looked really nice

i have no issues with hybrids

cheers shaun

StudentoReptile · 07-13-12, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

Here is the site and thread in which it is talk about. It on page 2 and 3. I was wrong it was a African Rock not a Burmese.
Hybrid Haven.net • View topic - has anybody ever tried to breed a python to a boa?

Thanks for the link. After reading thread, I want to clarify a few things for you and any others:

1.) The alleged white-lipped python x Brazilian Rainbow Boa hybrid. Her belly did not "literately burst open killing her." The actual text was: "was swollen to the point of bursting, when i say that what i really mean is the skin between the scales was ripping." I don't really know enough about either species, but based on that description, it really doesn't sound like anything beyond normal swelling that occurs. Anyone care to comment?

2.) "I also found out NERDS is got something in the works." - The only reference in that thread is that one of the participants is a moderator on the NERD forums. There was no confirmation that they actually are/were employed by NERD. Also, their exact words were: "Well, if we manage to do this cross, I promise I'll post some pics. Right now it's a pipe dream, but you never know what can happen!" [A pipe dream, by basic definition, is an unrealistic or near impossible goal/plan]

3.) Alleged African rock python x green anaconda hybrid - Original post: "A guy I know has succesfully gotten eggs out of his large african rock python, that was bred to a male Green anaconda. Unfortunatly, the eggs died in incubation due to a power outtage. All the eggs did seem fertile, and I saw them myself. They were bred at Westman Reptile Gardens in manitoba canada."
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A few people had made the point in that thread that with reasonably little effort, you can get a horny male snake to copulate with almost anything. Pairing up X to Y is not the problem. You could probably get a randy male BP to lock-up with a Gaboon viper.

The issue is whether or not A.) fertilization can actually occur, and B.) the female's reproductive system can handle the development of hybrid offspring. A non-herp example is the rare tigon (male tiger x lioness). The species are compatible, but the womb of the lioness cannot handle the larger size of a growing tiger (or tigon) cub. That is why that ligers (male lion x tigress) are more common.

**Aaron_S** · 07-13-12, 09:51 AM

You know what's sad about the coelen's python? Is that the Boelen's python is still pretty rare in captivity and rather difficult to breed BUT absolutely gorgeous.

StudentoReptile · 07-13-12, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You know what's sad about the coelen's python? Is that the Boelen's python is still pretty rare in captivity and rather difficult to breed BUT absolutely gorgeous.

It is sad. Definitely one of the most beautiful pythons in the world.

This is one of those cases where I think the reason it was done was just see it if could be done, and specifically, trying to unlock part of the Boelen's breeding puzzle. As I understand it, the main issue is stimulating Boelen's to lock-up, as they are triggered by drastic drops in barometric pressure, something not easily replicated in captivity for such a high-altitude reptile. The few keepers who with successful breedings stated the most successful lock-ups occurred during/after a rainstorm.

If I recall, the coelen's was a male IJ carpet x female Boelens (just presuming since the whole issue was male Boelen's having difficulty getting in the mood). Obviously, it worked.

Now...ethics aside, I wonder if one could successfully breed a male coelen's back to a female Boelens to get back more of that rich silky black. The main question is: have coelens inherited the finicky breeding habits of the boelens?

StudentoReptile · 07-13-12, 10:53 AM

Here's one I saw at the NRBE in Daytona 2008.

Amazon tree boa x Emerald tree boa

exwizard · 07-13-12, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Here's one I saw at the NRBE in Daytona 2008.

Amazon tree boa x Emerald tree boa

*drool drool drool* I probably will never have one of these simply because I prefer snakes that are more handleable but wow, this is comparable to the exotic colors of the Carpondros!