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Wildside · 07-10-12, 07:57 AM

Oh Noez! Not the tank size debate again

DeesBalls · 07-10-12, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

First of all, welcome to the site!

Secondly, I'm gonna have to disagree with you about tank size. A 40gal breeder is 36" long x 18" wide x 16" tall....adequate amount of space for a single adult male ball python, a species that, even when healthy, will likely spend 90% of its time curled up in a ball in its hide and remain relatively inactive.

i agree, i forget the specs, but when i built my cages, i was thinking this way:

a 41 qt tub is like 36x18x6 or something like that, so a 40 gal breeder which is 36x18x16, just 10 inches higher (somthing like that, i dont know the exact measurements of 41qt tub)...

so i agree with that being fine for a single royal... IF it is heated to correct temps, has anough hides, and the humidity is up to par...

ede618 · 07-10-12, 08:34 AM

I'm happy to say that I found a full shed skin in his tank this morning all intact. He still squeaked at me when he saw me though.

I ordered thermostats that should be here within a day or so

StudentoReptile · 07-10-12, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

Oh Noez! Not the tank size debate again

I guess so...lol

I mean, my BP has been in 20 longs, 29 gal (turned over so it was 30 x 18), 55 gal, 40 gal breeders, 75 gallon tank, 36" Neodesha, and currently in a 24x24" Vision. The snake is nearly 20 yrs old, and in every cage he has been in, he spends 90% (or more) of his time sleeping in a cave. I'm not saying every 4-ft snake is like that; obviously every species is different. But IMHO, ball pythons just do not warrant a huge amount of space because quite simply, they do not use it.

Wildside · 07-10-12, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

I guess so...lol

I mean, my BP has been in 20 longs, 29 gal (turned over so it was 30 x 18), 55 gal, 40 gal breeders, 75 gallon tank, 36" Neodesha, and currently in a 24x24" Vision. The snake is nearly 20 yrs old, and in every cage he has been in, he spends 90% (or more) of his time sleeping in a cave. I'm not saying every 4-ft snake is like that; obviously every species is different. But IMHO, ball pythons just do not warrant a huge amount of space because quite simply, they do not use it.

Here's how I feel about cage size... IMO it's very obvious to tell if an animal is cramped in it's enclosure. The internet may say one thing while the keeper's eye says something completely different. I mean it's pretty clear to see that a 5 ft. boa is not going to fit comfortably in a 55 gal. tank, right?

SnakeyJay · 07-10-12, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by undertaker_79

did a shed 3 weeks ago and it measured 6'9 so he is growing very well,so what i told you try that

Welcome

... Just had to say, measuring a shed skin is inaccurate as they stretch quite a lot... My 4ft corn will easily give me a 5ft shed skin sometimes. Run string down the snakes body and measure the string after.

StudentoReptile · 07-10-12, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

Here's how I feel about cage size... IMO it's very obvious to tell if an animal is cramped in it's enclosure. The internet may say one thing while the keeper's eye says something completely different. I mean it's pretty clear to see that a 5 ft. boa is not going to fit comfortably in a 55 gal. tank, right?

I heartily agree! That's why my earlier statements were specifically about ball pythons, as according to my own personal experience.

Indeed, I would concur that a 5-ft (or even a 4-ft one) would be cramped in a standard 55 gal. In reality, a 40-breeder offers more floor space, although it is lacking in height and overall volume. I personally hate standard 55 gal tanks, even for fish. Just too long and too narrow of a tank for decorating, and not suitable for most herps.

[and mind you, I'm not suggesting that someone keep a 5-ft boa in even a 40-breeder. Just pointing out the difference in the footprint.]