Temperature Fluxes - How much is okay? - Page 2

hellosugaree · 07-10-12, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

Damn, does this mean no one should ever keep wild caught reptiles?

I don't really see a reason to.

Gregg M · 07-10-12, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hellosugaree

I don't really see a reason to.

Really? That is interesting. What about introducing fresh blood lines? No need for that?

The way I see it, there is no reason not to. Can you give a reason not to?

Teal · 07-10-12, 06:45 PM

hellosugaree - Mind taking your WC snake debate elsewhere? It's taking away from the fact that I am asking questions about keeping my clutch alive, which is quite rude. Thanks.

So in addition to the questions I just asked on page one, I'm also concerned now about some discolouration in the eggshells. If they're healthy, they should remain white the whole time, yes? Some of them are, but some of them have clear-ish looking patches and yellow/green discolouration - part of which I believe was from being on coco fiber, but there is some new discolouration forming now that I think might be more unhealthy.

Terranaut · 07-10-12, 08:08 PM

Pictures would help a lot.
My JCP clutch had the best healthiest snake come from a discoloured wrinkled egg.
Keep them in there unless they mould. Then toss them.

Teal · 07-11-12, 01:08 AM

Thanks for the input! There's only one that is apart.. the rest are in a clump. So, if any begin molding, I don't have any way to take them out. I've read on here that healthy eggs won't contract mold from eggs even that are touching them though.

The pictures make it look a lot worse! Or maybe I'm just delusional about what they really look like? LOL The egg on the far left looks perfectly fine still. The one on the top of the photo looked fine until a few days ago... I think it's been too wet in their lil box, so I made some changes to prevent that issue from occurring again.

I know they look pretty bad I'm doing my best!

Terranaut · 07-11-12, 01:51 AM

3 look bad the rest look fine to me. BUT I have never bred kings so I am not sure if they have 100% of the same characteristics as JCP eggs but just from that pic I would guess the 3 on the lower right of the pic are not gonna make it. But I would just control the temps more accurately and wait and see.

Lankyrob · 07-11-12, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Teal

hellosugaree - Mind taking your WC snake debate elsewhere? It's taking away from the fact that I am asking questions about keeping my clutch alive, which is quite rude. Thanks.

That statement is pretty rude too - this is a public forum and the WC discussion is completely relevant to the thread.

Continually typing in bold when you have been asked nicely to stop could be considered rude also

Wildside · 07-11-12, 07:04 AM

Honestly, at this point, I would be surprised if that clutch makes it at all. Why did you feel they were too moist? What did you do to change it? In the future, if you incubate a clutch of anything, the best thing to do is leave it alone. Get the environment stabilized as fast as you can and then don't mess with it. You've given it a real awesome effort but I just don't think those babies are meant to be.

Teal · 07-11-12, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

That statement is pretty rude too - this is a public forum and the WC discussion is completely relevant to the thread.

Continually typing in bold when you have been asked nicely to stop could be considered rude also

Thank you for your incredibly helpful post in regards to how the temperature fluxes my eggs are experiencing may impact them! I appreciate you taking the time to stop by my thread and add your very useful knowledge

I'm not going to debate the morals of keeping or collecting WC snakes. Had I not stated my eggs were from a WC snake, you'd be none the wiser. Therefor, it stands to reason that the origin of my eggs is irrelevant to a discussion regarding proper temperatures, yes? I'm not at all new to forums, and I'm sure there are PLENTY of threads debating WC snakes. But, there aren't plenty of threads regarding what temperature fluxes colubrid eggs can handle. So it seems reasonable to ask that the thread stay at least mildly on topic, does it not?

On the same line of not being new to forums.. I type in bold on all of them, and have for years. Nothing personal, I assure you.

So, if you consider all that to be rude... then I guess I'm rude!

Teal · 07-11-12, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

Honestly, at this point, I would be surprised if that clutch makes it at all. Why did you feel they were too moist? What did you do to change it? In the future, if you incubate a clutch of anything, the best thing to do is leave it alone. Get the environment stabilized as fast as you can and then don't mess with it. You've given it a real awesome effort but I just don't think those babies are meant to be.

Care to elaborate on why you feel this clutch won't make it?

I felt they were too moist because there was enough condensation on the roof of their little tub that it was dripping down onto the eggs and that is when some of them started getting those opaque-ish looking spots. All I did was remove the lid off their little container, which actually has stabilized the temperature.

Wildside · 07-11-12, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Teal

Care to elaborate on why you feel this clutch won't make it?

I felt they were too moist because there was enough condensation on the roof of their little tub that it was dripping down onto the eggs and that is when some of them started getting those opaque-ish looking spots. All I did was remove the lid off their little container, which actually has stabilized the temperature.

They've been exposed to a very unstable environment. It's very early on in the incubation cycle and you already have 3 out of 8 that don't look good at all, with worrysome spots on the rest. You've done your very best with it and that's all anyone can do. Also, I'm not saying they absolutely won't make it. I can't see what is going on inside those eggs.

Breeding/Incubation is always a gamble. In this case the odds are stacked against you but that doesn't mean you won't come out on top. As avid as you are about taking responsibility for these eggs I'm sure you would have done very well had you been ready. I wouldn't have bothered with them honestly.

Teal · 07-12-12, 02:27 AM

Thank you for the clarification

When I saw that they were fertile, I knew I had to at least give it a shot. Though I will continue to incubate them, unless it becomes quite obvious that none of them are viable.. just because.. ya never know, right? Maybe they'll surprise us lol I really have been trying my best though

Wildside · 07-12-12, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Teal

Thank you for the clarification

When I saw that they were fertile, I knew I had to at least give it a shot. Though I will continue to incubate them, unless it becomes quite obvious that none of them are viable.. just because.. ya never know, right? Maybe they'll surprise us lol I really have been trying my best though

Best of luck!

Jay · 07-12-12, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

That statement is pretty rude too - this is a public forum and the WC discussion is completely relevant to the thread.

Continually typing in bold when you have been asked nicely to stop could be considered rude also

We get it you don't like the bold.
I like it it separates the op's posts from
The gibberish.

If you're not planing on breeding again I wouldn't waste to much money into a thermostat, but I would still get one.

kernel · 07-13-12, 12:15 PM

The 3 on the right and the 1 on the top look bad, but the other 4 look like they have a chance to me. Just keep their environment as stable as possible and keep us updated