Requesting personal exp in regard to the pinkypump - Page 2

shaunyboy · 01-04-12, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shmoges

baby food with a calc supliment should be ok from what I have read besides have you ever ground up a pinky? It stinks and is messy.

if you want to use that method,the vets sell a high protien cat/dog food

its designed for getting cats/dogs back to health quickly after a long term illness

just give them the same wieght in the paste,as the wieght of the prey you would normally feed the snake

you just water it down to a thick paste,thats able to be pushed through a syringe and an infant feeding tube (also available at the vets)

then administer like a medication

cheers shaun

Strutter769 · 01-04-12, 06:44 PM

Not trying to be a smart *** but if it helps, I've seen vets on TV place the snake in a tube just wider than the animal, to keep it still. In this case they were administering anesthesia I think.

Good luck!

shaunyboy · 01-04-12, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by strutter769

Not trying to be a smart *** but if it helps, I've seen vets on TV place the snake in a tube just wider than the animal, to keep it still. In this case they were administering anesthesia I think.

Good luck!

the tube would have to be a very tight fit or the snake will still be able to move a little

best keeping a snake fully imobilised when putting a tube down its throat

you've no way of stopping the snake retreating when its in a tube or moving from side to side and up and down

the slightest of movements may interfere when tubing a snake

i've seen the tube method used when using anesthetic on hots though (gas)

cheers shaun

Shmoges · 01-04-12, 07:34 PM

Its still a good idea I have a couple tubes I can experiment with.

jaleely · 01-05-12, 03:22 AM

I have an aquantance who has used baby food to get a baby BP up to weight. Babyfood and calcium *nod nod*
If you go the pinky way...i hear that sometimes they don't like the guts, only the body and head. haha, that was true for my little dude when i put it up to his nose and he flicked his tongue and hissed and puffed and hated it when i had poped that pinky on accident.

I also think they are trying to do some kind of hybernation right now. my big guy is restless, but doesn't want to eat (usually when restless, he's hunting, and will eat) and the little guy is making all these weirdly placed burrows and peeking at me from them. I say go for the force feeding though, because i don't like to hear the skinny part! Also raising the warmth may increase the metabolism and spike his feeding interest. ah, let us know!

ZARADOZIA · 01-05-12, 03:35 AM

If you use baby food, use Beechnut and not Gerber. Gerber adds cornstarch and coloring to the food. Beechnut does not.

jaleely · 01-05-12, 04:13 AM

hey i just read a post somewhere else where they used frozen, thawed it, and used a hair dryer to warm it up to 98 degrees internally...checked with a turkey thermometer. they left it sitting there in the dark with the snake!

You know, i forgot to say that my hoggie that does it...does NOT strike. The one time i got my troublesome guy to eat, he didn't eather. He pushed with his nose, and then just opened and ate. That's what my boas do as well. Only the carpet, and a few bps strike to eat. Everyone else if they are being fussy, can be left alone with warm food and they will eventually eat it, if they haven't already taken it when i wiggle it at them lol

I would try the live pinkies in an open area, mabe with a little flufled paper or something they can move against, to make more of a wiggle enticement, and then see how the hog reacts. Maybe leave them all alone for a while (which i would never reccomend even slightly if it wasn't a helpless pinky).

Shmoges · 01-05-12, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ZARADOZIA

If you use baby food, use Beechnut and not Gerber. Gerber adds cornstarch and coloring to the food. Beechnut does not.

Thanks for the heads up! I was holding both and was like wth when I saw the ingredients.

I actually just lowered the temp from 95 to 82 because our last Kenyans died.

shaunyboy · 01-05-12, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shmoges

Nothing has changed. I even tried to hibernate him for a month to see if that would get him hungry.

I made this, the srynge may be too small. Now I'm off to buy baby food.

Yeah it could be that time of year but he is so small and losing weight.

you need to cut the end of that tube flush,so its not got that slight point on it mate,also for an adult carpet python you only need a tube roughly 8 inches long

a hoggie will need a much shorter tube,roughly 5 inch imo

you can control the tube much better when its short,also its easier to keep track of how much tubes down the snakes throat

re syringe
that looks like tiny a 1ml syringe

you'll need a 5 or even a 10ml syringe for feeding something the size of a hoggie imo

cheers shaun

shaunyboy · 01-05-12, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shmoges

Its still a good idea I have a couple tubes I can experiment with.

imo putting your hoggie in a tube will just stress it out even more

cheers shaun

Shmoges · 01-05-12, 10:03 PM

Lol its not all going down his mouth

and i cut it at an angle and sanded toe sharpness down so I can aim tward the spine and not the belly so I dont get a lung.

BTW I gave him one unit of calc/water/babyfood and most went down. So Fingers crossed I didn't fill his lung. He isn't gasping or anything so I thnk he can breath fine and he was making swallowing faces, (his cheeks move like that when he drinks). He used to do it all the time when I gave him meds for an RI months ago.

I held him and the tube and my wife squeezed the syringe. Sorry no extra hands for pics.

shaunyboy · 01-05-12, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shmoges

Lol its not all going down his mouth

and i cut it at an angle and sanded toe sharpness down so I can aim tward the spine and not the belly so I dont get a lung.

BTW I gave him one unit of calc/water/babyfood and most went down. So Fingers crossed I didn't fill his lung. He isn't gasping or anything so I thnk he can breath fine and he was making swallowing faces, (his cheeks move like that when he drinks). He used to do it all the time when I gave him meds for an RI months ago.

I held him and the tube and my wife squeezed the syringe. Sorry no extra hands for pics.

imo you shouldn't have to go anywhere near as far back the throat with the tube, as worry about hitting a lung

imo your aiming for just far enough down the throat,so that the paste/liquid goes down and not back up

imo the angle you cut the tube at leaves,a nearly straight edge on one side of the tube.imo the straight'ish edge may get pressed against the flesh of the throat,causing an obstruction that will cause you to push harder on the plunger

if the tube moves slightly unblocking the obstruction,the paste will fire out faster/powerfully because of the extra pressure on the plunger

i'm not trying to be cheeky,only giving my thoughts on the picture mate

cheers shaun

ZARADOZIA · 01-06-12, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Shmoges

Thanks for the heads up! I was holding both and was like wth when I saw the ingredients.

I actually just lowered the temp from 95 to 82 because our last Kenyans died.

If you have the time to make your own babyfood, I can tell you how and it is healthier than buying- also cheaper.

If you don't and have to buy, use the Beechnut "Turkey & Turkey broth" and add vitamins. It has the highest protien / lowest sodium ratio than all other babyfoods.

I have a "Baby Bullet" for making baby food. I hate store bought because of the added fillers. Thankfully Beechnut is the best but the sodium is still higher than I would like, although it isn't that high.

Gerber is one of the worst babyfood products out there. I learned that 17 years ago when I pregnant. I am a label reader and when they are using cornstarch as filler and dye for coloring, plus large amounts of sodium...no wonder our children have health and weight issues!

My son never ate store bought baby food. I started making it when I was pregnant and then stored it. Saved a ton of $$$ and my son got healthy food.

It became a very valuable tool because I used that knowledge for picky eaters.

Gungirl · 01-06-12, 06:53 AM

With your kenyans dying have you thought that maybe this is more of an issue with the hoggie rather than it just refusing food? I would think that with all the snake deaths you have had maybe whatever was affecting your Kenyans is now affecting your Hoggie..... I would think it's vet time not force feeding time.

Shmoges · 01-08-12, 12:03 AM

I would too had I not had experience with local vets and personally not been impressed with there level of knowledge, experience, and price. Some animals for whatever reason will decide to be stubborn at any given time for no reason and if you want to pump money into them go right ahead. I myself have been down that road and am not willing in this instance to do that. I will do what I can for him to give him time and nutrition to decide to start eating again but its up to him ultimately and if he dies he dies. Our female is now twice his size and very sweet, a testament to varying personalities and wills to live between snakes of the snake species.

PS I am going to get a cath tube, I think this aquarium tubing is to rigid and may hurt his esophagus.