Cobra and Baby - Page 2

infernalis · 12-14-11, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pareeeee

Whereas I do agree that there should definitely be some type of warning posted before a video portraying animal cruelty, I don't understand why they are removed.

I think everyone should be made aware of the animal cruelty that exists in the world. Everyone tries to hide it as if it doesn't exist...

Hiding and ignoring cruelty instead of dealing with the people who do such things is why so many cruel practices still exist. (maybe not what happened in this particular video)

Just my opinion.

PS: I have seen this video before - either the snake's mouth has been sewn shut or it has been de-fanged (another cruel practice with snake charmers...and some hot owners!!!!)

It had already been all but unanimously agreed that our "happy place" here is better off without having to watch this kind of stuff.

We can leave that to "worlds Dumbest" or Animal Planet, not ssnakess.com

I did leave the discussion open, talk about it all you want.

Norm66 · 12-14-11, 08:46 AM

While I personally find sewing a snake's mouth shut abhorent I think it's not really fair to harshly judge other cultures by our own standards. As Rob mentioned 'ya gotta do what ya gotta do' sometimes to feed your family and if it's this or starve it's probably not a choice at all for these people. It's certainly not like they're getting rich doing it.

Things are different in a way most of us (myself included) can't really understand in places like India. I imagine it will be decades before Western sensibilities take root enough there to put a stop to such things.

and personally, I'm glad for the animal cruelty video ban here. I prefer the sweetness and light vibe of this place.

Shmoges · 12-14-11, 10:54 PM

I have heard people remove the fangs on cobras.

alessia55 · 12-14-11, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shmoges

I have heard people remove the fangs on cobras.

Yup, this is especially common among snake charmer shows in Asia. They'll either remove the fangs, surgically remove the venom glands etc, or sew the mouths shut. Sewing the mouths shut has to be the worst since they can't eat and it's only a matter of time before they starve to death.

If people were removing the teeth of a dog or sewing the dogs' mouths shut, everyone would be all over it to make it stop. Unfortunately the majority of people don't feel the same way about scaley critters as they do about the furry ones.

**millertime89** · 12-14-11, 11:05 PM

I think as of late they've been taking to removing the venom glands or sewing the mouth shut because, like other snakes, teeth grow back, the ones in the back move forward to replace the ones removed.

infernalis · 12-14-11, 11:36 PM

Over there they don't go through any fancy surgeries, they just yank out the fangs and sew them up, can get a few days "entertainment" out of the snake before it dies.

infernalis · 12-14-11, 11:39 PM

This makes me want to puke....

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**millertime89** · 12-15-11, 02:06 AM

although we don't agree with it, there's nothing we can do about it. To them its no different than cow or other animal leather. I can't condemn it without being a hypocrite either, I love my leather jacket.

infernalis · 12-15-11, 02:13 AM

Yeah, my ladies wear leather too.

But I have never had feelings for a cow either, aside from how tasty a steak is.

ZARADOZIA · 12-15-11, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

To them its no different than cow or other animal leather. I can't condemn it without being a hypocrite either, I love my leather jacket.

I beg to differ. We raise cows for food, the left overs (skin/hide) is recycled into clothing, food for other animals, binding for books, etc. Not one part of that animal is wasted. There is a huge difference between raising animals to slaughter soley for their hides and raising animals for food and then making sure everything is used so there isn't any waste.

Same for gators & rattlesnakes- they are sold as food and their hides are turned into clothing. I abhor the practice and do not eat or wear anything that is of an animal I will not first use as a food source.

Generally, we do not torture an animal (sewing it's mouth shut, removing teeth) for entertainment purposes. This is just wrong.

alessia55 · 12-15-11, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ZARADOZIA

I beg to differ. We raise cows for food, the left overs (skin/hide) is recycled into clothing, food for other animals, binding for books, etc. Not one part of that animal is wasted. There is a huge difference between raising animals to slaughter soley for their hides and raising animals for food and then making sure everything is used so there isn't any waste.

Same for gators & rattlesnakes- they are sold as food and their hides are turned into clothing. I abhor the practice and do not eat or wear anything that is of an animal I will not first use as a food source.

Generally, we do not torture an animal (sewing it's mouth shut, removing teeth)for entertainment purposes. This is just wrong.

...really? I have hundreds of examples, but I don't want to open that can of worms

I'm vegetarian and I don't use any animal products as much as I can help it. My dad bought my car with leather interior, so I can't do anything about that, but I personally never buy leather or reptile skin or fur products if I have a better choice.

ZARADOZIA · 12-15-11, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by alessia55

...really? I have hundreds of examples, but I don't want to open that can of worms

I'm vegetarian and I don't use any animal products as much as I can help it. My dad bought my car with leather interior, so I can't do anything about that, but I personally never buy leather or reptile skin or fur products if I have a better choice.

My point was that we don't kill/torture cattle for entertainment purposes like having snakes mouths sewn shut [for entertainment purposes] in reference to Kyle's statement of there being no difference.

shaunyboy · 12-15-11, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Whilst this is cruel by all the standards of animal care that we aspire to in the west we ?MUST remember that the people that do this have little or no other choice when it comes to putting food in their families bellies.

When you are living in what we consider to be a hovel and starving to death the list of things that you "arent prepared to do" tends to shrink over time.

I am in no way condoning mutilation of an animal but put yourself in their shoes (or bare feet)

most folk who know me on here,know i agree with rob on this subject

although i would NEVER condone sewing a cobra's mouth shut or ripping its fangs out,which is common practise in their native countrys

i DO understand the need for these familys to put food in their childrens bellys

lets face it at the end of the day,wouldn't all of us go to extreme measures if our familys were starving ?

although the clip was removed before i saw it,i have seen clips like it many times

sadly its just poor folk in a poor country,trying to put food on the table

cheers shaun

shaunyboy · 12-15-11, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ZARADOZIA

Generally, we do not torture an animal (sewing it's mouth shut, removing teeth) for entertainment purposes. This is just wrong.

sorry but i have to disagree

its visitors to their country who pay to see the cobra's who are wrong,imo its them thats the sicko's

as for the poor people sewing the cobra's mouth shut,it may be the only way they have to FEED their FAMILYS

i personally would do whatever it took to feed my kids,if they were starving and i lived in a country with such a crappy support system

we cannot judge these people by our standards,as they live in a completely different way

they don't have welfare food stamps/vouchers or social security like we do in the west...!!

cheers shaun

Swany · 12-28-11, 07:11 PM

I have a friend who visited India last year and some of the stories he could tell you of the poverty he witnessed would make you weep. I detest animal cruelty in any form, but as Rob and Shaun pointed out, as parents we would and will do anything to protect and care for our children.
Would you rather sew a cobras mouth shut or watch your child starve to death ?
I'm just playing devils advocate here.
Ive just noticed how old the original post is, but i'm new and was trolling :-)