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Old 01-14-03, 06:58 PM   #16
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hmm..



...Though female Specs only get 4 maybe 5' and the males about 6' or so, but you also got to look at the other species that is in the bloodline. Yacares get to be a good 8 feet or so. Now you gotta think which traits this particular caiman is going to be dominate. Also, why get a hybrid? Its just screwing with purebreds and I'm sure the main reason for it is because they are a loop hole to ship cross state lines with out permits. -not counting the intergrades...
Plus if you get one make sure youre ready to spend most of your life it.
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Old 01-14-03, 07:54 PM   #17
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Yes, i thought about that a lot. These things can't get 4 - 6' even as adults... that's just crazy talk, really. I think 8' is the full for this hybrid. And plus I never really liked "mutts" in the first place... the add just kind-of caught my attention, and I thought "wow, a caimen that doesn't bite, that sounds interesting." But there is no caimen that isn't nippy as a baby. They aren't the perfect "pet"... I think these are just money-makers. I'm sticking to the p. palpebrosus.
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Rachel - don' t look at this ans a rgument but simply a discusion .. thats how we alll beneit and thats where we trully learn something..

I did not think Yacares got that big .. wow defetly not a good caimen to care for..

Xain .. i'd hate to admit it but u make very good points .. especially about the hybrids iimportation.

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very beautiful!! And a very cool pic !
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I'm gonna have to agree with Xain I hate hybrids, its just stupid to make something that wasn't meant to be. Thats the cases with many snakes too, so many are inbred and what not. Thats why some times I prefer to have wild caught animals because I know exactly where they came from and that no one has messed with their genes.

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okay lets not get in to the whole wild caught discussion. Lets just say that i will never get
a wild caught if I can help it. Wild caught geez!!

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Old 02-07-03, 07:34 AM   #24
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....I don't totally hate hybrids, because some intergrade naturally. (Most caimans can and some do.) It's just when they are bred to do the whole loop hole bit. We all know rhombifer and porosus do not even see each other in the wild, but they are still bred. I wonder why.. Hmmm. (USDI permits are one of few needed to ship and sell Cuban crocs.) As I've said the caimans being hybridized don't bother me too much and besides, I recently got suckered into getting a Yacare X Spec. I know, I know but they are just so darn cute. heh.
I 've also noticed Mitch saying that these particular animals grow to be adults at 4'-6' but he also states that this is the 2nd time it's been done and I remember not to long ago him offering them as the First ones to have been hatched. Now, I don't see what he bases his size opinions on being that they haven't even been around long enough to reach adulthood...
Also, Jermey, I prefer WC on some species more than CB for the same reasons. Seems everyone wants the newest/expensive freak out there. I guess I'm old school.
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hehe I hear ya Xain

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