My NorPacs

[RandyRhoads]

Last couple. Decent fang shot wish I could have gotten both on film.



And i've always wanted to use this smiley so here it goes.

[ilovemypets1988]

um just out of curiosity but wouldnt 2 snakes in a single tank poss twice the risk for the handler if 1 needs to be checked over for any reason

[RandyRhoads]

What do you mean checked over?These are wild caught. I always hook, the closest I come to "checking over" is through glass.

[sickvenom]

Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

What do you mean checked over?These are wild caught. I always hook, the closest I come to "checking over" is through glass.

potential health problems.

[RandyRhoads]

These are a wild caught species that has over populated my area. Any health problems they aquired in the wild, they would still have in the wild. In fact these would have been killed on the spot had I not taken them. If and when I ever get a more "exotic, or special hots" for example somethign bred not WC
I will have the experience to tube, examine and administer meds.

I rarely see vets walking around the woods administering meds.

[sickvenom]

Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

These are a wild caught species that has over populated my area. Any health problems they aquired in the wild, they would still have in the wild. In fact these would have been killed on the spot had I not taken them. If and when I ever get a more "exotic, or special hots" for example somethign bred not WC
I will have the experience to tube, examine and administer meds.

I rarely see vets walking around the woods administering meds.

so if you see that one has developed an open sore, would you let it die or treat it?

[RandyRhoads]

I would try to locate a vet that deals in hot, wich is nearly impossible. See the available options and try to treat it with EXPERIENCED help. But if not and it looked like a terminal problem, I would put it out of it's misery.

Like I said they would have been killed on site, so they're on borrowed time. I try to keep them happy. Thought about relocating but they are already overpopulated. For some reason as the mercury levels around rise, so does the pop of NorPacs.

[sickvenom]

Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

I would try to locate a vet that deals in hot, wich is nearly impossible. See the available options and try to treat it with EXPERIENCED help. But if not and it looked like a terminal problem, I would put it out of it's misery.

Like I said they would have been killed on site, so they're on borrowed time. I try to keep them happy. Thought about relocating but they are already overpopulated. For some reason as the mercury levels around rise, so does the pop of NorPacs.

i understand, but i think that's what ilovemypets1988 was getting at.

[ilovemypets1988]

Originally Posted by sickvenom

i understand, but i think that's what ilovemypets1988 was getting at.

yh i was getting at problems that can arise in captivity like for example an RI, even the most experienced snake keeper can have a problem with that and even though RI isnt terminal as long as its caught early, you will still have to treat it and you cant (or so i imagine) treat a snake if you cant get it out of there cage as theres another in there, i dont mean anything by it, its just a question thas all, and something that i would see as a problem no matter whether its needed or not

[RandyRhoads]

Well I can tell you when I get them out for cleaning and water, it's not too difficult. I use a hook to open the door, push them both to the back of the cage, then pull the more active guy out and place into a suitable container to move him in. I use "splatter vision" to watch both simultaniously making sure the other doesn't move closer, wich he never does. Not to say he will never try, but they both are pretty docile. Then I pull out the other guy, place in a safe environment, clean, and repeat backwards. I never come within twice the striking distance. I use my hook as an safety buffer, even to carry say, a 5 gal bucket if i'm using that.


I'm sure it would cause more of a problem with a more agressive hot, but these guys are pretty lazy and would rather retreat in most cases.


I don't even know how you would diagnose an RI with a rattlesnake. Most wouldn't shut up long enough to hear and respiratory problems. Maybe just look for any oral secretions?

[ilovemypets1988]

Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

Well I can tell you when I get them out for cleaning and water, it's not too difficult. I use a hook to open the door, push them both to the back of the cage, then pull the more active guy out and place into a suitable container to move him in. I use "splatter vision" to watch both simultaniously making sure the other doesn't move closer, wich he never does. Not to say he will never try, but they both are pretty docile. Then I pull out the other guy, place in a safe environment, clean, and repeat backwards. I never come within twice the striking distance. I use my hook as an safety buffer, even to carry say, a 5 gal bucket if i'm using that.


I'm sure it would cause more of a problem with a more agressive hot, but these guys are pretty lazy and would rather retreat in most cases.


I don't even know how you would diagnose an RI with a rattlesnake. Most wouldn't shut up long enough to hear and respiratory problems. Maybe just look for any oral secretions?

ah ok, i see how u do it, its just that id rather say something than not as im sure ur aware, hots aint something to take lightly and i think its better to say a concern than leave it be, last thing we all need is another reason for our governments to try and take the pleasure of snake keeping away from us and im sure everyone here would agree with that and also forgot to mention that an RI can be noticed with an area of swelling or blood red colouring in the mouth which can be seen when the snake opens its mouth to threaten off there enemy or alternatively (only if your experienced enough though) you would grasp the back of the head tightly and use tongs to open there mouths to inspect the inside of it

[RandyRhoads]

Appreciate the concern. Even if it wasn't a health issue the price of a bite alone keeps me at a safe distance. lol.

[sickvenom]

Originally Posted by ilovemypets1988

or alternatively (only if your experienced enough though) you would grasp the back of the head tightly and use tongs to open there mouths to inspect the inside of it

no knowledgeable or responsible herper would have any reason to physically touch a hot with their bare hands. i don't even touch my venomoids with my bare hands.

[RandyRhoads]

Do you free handle your venomoids with gloves and leather protection or not at all?

[sickvenom]

Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

Do you free handle your venomoids with gloves and leather protection or not at all?

not at all. there's no reason to. i have nothing to prove to anyone.