True or Not? - Page 2

infernalis · 02-13-11, 12:23 PM

Good.. Glad you understand.

For that reason, I would lean more to a corn snake than a hoggie.

Hognose snakes do strange things when scared, like flip over and musk.

Corns will not do that, I'm not saying that there is no such thing as a corn snake with attitude, but for the most part, they are very mellow.

shaunyboy · 02-13-11, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

To my understanding they are a mild venomous snake. They can make you sick, but not kill you. Unless you have a allergic reaction. Just like a bee sting doesn't hurt me , but could kill someone else.

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they are also rear fanged so they need to get your skin way into the back of their mouths and chew on you to release their venom

cheers shaun

Sapphyr · 02-13-11, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Good.. Glad you understand.

For that reason, I would lean more to a corn snake than a hoggie.

Hognose snakes do strange things when scared, like flip over and musk.

Corns will not do that, I'm not saying that there is no such thing as a corn snake with attitude, but for the most part, they are very mellow.

Eh... I've had a corn before, it was a bad experience, granted it was, obviously, a very -rare- experience... but I'm not too big on corns to begin with(my mother was the one that made the decision without my knowing). If I were to go anything other than hognose, it'd be a milk snake or a KSB. I'm personally not overly fond of KSB's, but I don't think they get too big(I've yet to research them, as I'm not sure yet), and I don't know... maybe if I get to see one in person and maybe handle it, it may just grow on me. The more I stare at KSB's, though, they also grow on me through that.. Something just seems really nice about their coloring.

I also knew about the flipping over and musk thing(playing dead), and I'm perfectly fine with musk. I'd expect the same behavior from a startled/intimidated milk snake, and I'm a tad fond of them as well. I've heard musking behavior, and in this case, any other forms of getting you to leave them alone(headbutting, head flattening, etc.) will, in most cases, die down once the snake gets accustomed to you handling it and initially going to pick it up.

Shaun, if that's the case then I may just stick with them.. Since they'd have to 'chew' on you a little to actually get their fangs to your flesh, I'm guessing even a feeding response wouldn't be an actual flesh to fang contact and puncture?

totheend · 02-13-11, 12:55 PM

Getting a hognose to play dead is almost near impossible!! I think that wild ones will do it and a newly hatched cb may do it.

And yeah you would have to let a hog chew on you for a long period of time and they would have to get you between the fingers or something like that. I have fed my hogs live food and I will tell you that they chew when they eat and that mouse is still alive all the way down.......so I would say their "venom" is extremely mild. I believe probably more geared towards toads/frogs.

Here is link with a bite......please remember he let him chew on him for 3-5 min........
hognose snake bite

Sapphyr · 02-13-11, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by totheend

Getting a hognose to play dead is almost near impossible!! I think that wild ones will do it and a newly hatched cb may do it.

And yeah you would have to let a hog chew on you for a long period of time and they would have to get you between the fingers or something like that. I have fed my hogs live food and I will tell you that they chew when they eat and that mouse is still alive all the way down.......so I would say their "venom" is extremely mild. I believe probably more geared towards toads/frogs.

Here is link with a bite......please remember he let him chew on him for 3-5 min........
hognose snake bite

Oh wow, that's some intense swelling. :c

So, if you were to get it to detach from you in say.. the first 10 - 20 seconds of it actually taking your flesh in its mouth, you probably won't get envenomated?

infernalis · 02-13-11, 02:26 PM

All I can say is if they were not "safe" as pets, they would not be nearly as common in the pet trade as they are.

Sapphyr · 02-13-11, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

All I can say is if they were not "safe" as pets, they would not be nearly as common in the pet trade as they are.

Truuuuuue.~ Well, then I guess I'll be looking for a hoggy next month at our expo.~ The guy I bought my BRB from was selling Westerns for $55, though... I particularly like Albino hognoses and generally red colored ones, but I think that's a bit above my budget. I should have $220 by the time the expo comes around, but part of the will be used for the enclosure, so I'd say the most I could spend is $150, maybe a little more.

Lankyrob · 02-13-11, 03:50 PM

Also in the uk keeping hots is SOOOO difficult, needing licenses and random checks etc etc etc to even be able to purchase them. You can pick up hoggies in most reptile shops as easy as corns.

Sapphyr · 02-14-11, 10:23 PM

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Also in the uk keeping hots is SOOOO difficult, needing licenses and random checks etc etc etc to even be able to purchase them. You can pick up hoggies in most reptile shops as easy as corns.

Sorry about not getting back to this since yesterday, I've been really busy today.

At any rate.. Ahhh, so they're not regarded as a hot(I personally don't know what 'hot' stands for, I just know it has something to do with venomous snakes)? That's good to hear, makes me a bit relieved.

I've called the breeder I got my BRB from, 'cause I know he has hognoses, I'm just waiting for him to get back to me. In other news, I found $100 worth in old graduation money! So I'll spend $250 tops. I may just get an albino, if available, after all.~

totheend · 02-14-11, 10:35 PM

No they are not considered hot.

I hope you enjoy your new pet and gl.

**Aaron_S** · 02-17-11, 01:08 PM

Just a tidbit of fact from the very first post, komodo's ARE considered venomous lizards if I remember correctly. They changed the status a little while ago. So that would be the third venomous lizard in the world behind the gila monster and beaded lizard.

To stay on topic. Hognose's are venomous but very good snakes to keep.

Sapphyr · 02-17-11, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Just a tidbit of fact from the very first post, komodo's ARE considered venomous lizards if I remember correctly. They changed the status a little while ago. So that would be the third venomous lizard in the world behind the gila monster and beaded lizard.

To stay on topic. Hognose's are venomous but very good snakes to keep.

Ahhh, I remember from when I was a little kid, they weren't marked as venomous. Learn something new all the time.~

I've already called the breeder I got my BRB from, he'll be at the next expo and hopefully have some hognoses.~ Otherwise I may have to have one shipped in from an online breeder, 'cause no one else at the last expo had 'em. ;c

What's ya'lls opinion about shipping reptiles from online breeders? Safe? Not safe?

Steve'O · 02-17-11, 01:34 PM

From my understanding the hognose has a mild venom and is rear fanged. You would have to be chewed on a bit to get envenomed by it. It is not like a viper that gets you with a quick bite. I did see a video or photo account some years ago from a guy who intentionally got his hog to bite and chew on his hand for a minute or so. His arm did swell impressively for about a week, it looked like cellulitis, but it healed up without incidence. I would presume though that if you were more sensitive to the venom, not unlike someone who is allergic to bees, the reaction would be worse. It is also possible with any significant swelling of an extremity that the circulation can be compromised resulting in tissue death. There is also the possibility of infection and gangrene complications...

Hillsberry · 02-17-11, 01:58 PM

Wow. The worst bite I have heard from a hog was a little rash around the area of the bite. But I heard they really need to chew on you to get some venom in.

**Aaron_S** · 02-17-11, 07:14 PM

Buy from a reputable person and you won't have a problem with shipping.

I live in Canada and I bought two snakes from the states in October of 2009. I didn't have a problem with them being shipped up here. I even bought two more from out West in Canada in late November without issue. Luckily our weather was fine then.