U.S. and Iraq - Page 2

Gorelith · 01-01-03, 05:00 PM

I think little bush is trying to out-do his daddy's legacy........I'm going to move to the northwest territories and develop solar ski-doos, screw oil corporations, long live the little guys who make non-corporate alternate powered vehicles

Them and Us · 01-01-03, 06:04 PM

I just am not a fan of the US government. Wasn't a fan of Bush and I'm not a fan of the bushling. yeah someone said Sadaam has got to go. yes i agree. but do you really think they don't have someone who holds the same ideals already lined up for office as soon as sadaam is gone.

to whoever complained about complaints of americans. everybody hates us. I'm getting used to it sadly. everybody sees us as fat and stupid. ever read Neil Peart's Ghost Rider. he can't refer to americans without mentioning how fat they are. i still love Rush though.

i don't call myself American . US citizen. Chileans are americans too technically. so are Canadians etc etc.. all live in the Americas. My father got kind of scoffed at at the canadian border ,ha, by the guards for saying he was american. they were right though. so were they.

krrc · 01-01-03, 06:15 PM

I dont have anything to add I just wanted to say that picture is great LOL

Canadaherp · 01-01-03, 08:20 PM

war is necessary we'll help control some of our population and by the time theyre done the next generation should be ready to start fights with other countries therefore reducing the worlsd populatio nothing wrong there

paul_le_snake · 01-01-03, 08:55 PM

the fact that the bushes are texan oil tycoons says alot, but as we all know every republican president loves to flex his muscles just to show how big and bad america is. remember Lybia? col. kaddaffi, trouble with cuba.
only difference is that this time the target is a real threat to humanity, maybe not just by himself, but with the real enemies that the us has built up over the years. it should be pointed out that osama bin laden was trained by the states to help afghanistan in their war against the ussr.
If war does break out then i for one am laying a brick. the "technology" is so far superior to anything that we can imagine. nerve gas can be used with terrifying results. is any country safe???? no. but it would seem that america has dug itself into a hole on this one. even my mate tony blair hs been hesitant to go all out and bomb iraq.
personally i hate "W" bush he seems as competent as the rats i have in my freezer. but he must have some sort of charm to convince millions of ppl that he was the one to lead them.
changing the subject a little, any ideas y he vetoed the kyoto treaty?????? texan oil family.
cheers
paul

Amazon Spice · 01-01-03, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Canadaherp
war is necessary we'll help control some of our population and by the time theyre done the next generation should be ready to start fights with other countries therefore reducing the worlsd population nothing wrong there

I could not agree more! War, murder, abortion.... all are forms of population control. We all hope it won't happen to us, but everyone comes and goes for a reason! Without them, the world would be hurtling even faster towards oblivion!

paul_le_snake · 01-01-03, 09:45 PM

in the end mother nature will always find a way........over the centuries we hv\ave had many fatal diseases and viruses....smallpox..bubonic plague....common cold...influenza....all of these now have vacinnations, but how long will it be before ppl will be shocked to learn that ppl died from cancer or hiv? once humankind finds a cure nature finds another way we now seem to have a real threat from the ebola virus. but, with the advancement of technology ppl do live longer, more babies make it through the first year. so what can nature do to make a stable medium? does it all come down to nature? has nature made these ppl that invent new ways of mass destruction? is it all natural progression that one day someone somewhere will invent a way to completly destry the earth with the flick of a button? how long away is that?
intersting point about population control, ys war does kill thousands of ppl a year and ruins the life of millions, but instead of getting rid of a billion or two ppl, we (humans in general) need to realise that no matter what we do now, our next generation will rely on our decisions. the whole etos of todays society seems to be one of single minded ignorance. look out for number one and all that crap.
sometimes i wonder what it would be like to be a person that hsa so much control over the planets future. could someone be that blind as to have no care for following generations?well it looks like they don't give a flying f**k
cheers
paul

krrc · 01-01-03, 09:58 PM

wow, good post i agree

Them and Us · 01-01-03, 10:09 PM

Paul. i like you haha. especialy for bringing up the Kyoto treaty. how stupid to veto that. i have so much to say and no time to say it. i think i may stop for now. i need to research more. I'm just very anti-war. Can't help it. its in me. i just don't have the desire to command and conquer like the politicians. how did the cat get so fat?

Quakezombie · 01-02-03, 12:22 AM

My view:

The idea of any war is insane i agree,but so is any fistfight any of us have ever been in.
Ever had you car keyed by someone you KNOW cant afford to pay for it ?
What if a guy down the street broke your baby sisters arm?

My point ?
Sometime around mid to late 90's while in N.Y ( I live in N.C.) a friend and i went into the South Tower trying to get to the top.
We only made it a little over halfway before we got the urge to go look out a window and got pegged as tourists by security.

OUT we went,by the time we got to the door you would have thought we had been caught with a bomb ourselves (Massive security waiting downstairs)

The cause for this (obviously) was the previous attack on these buildings.

Now take my earlier simile about the broken arm scenario:
What if the same guy that broke your sisters arm killed her ?

As far as Iraq's oil:
I wont sit here and deny that the U.S. wants/needs the oil,but take this into consideration as well.
Everything Saddam has that is worth any value can be used to fund terrrorist cells (and will be in my opinion).

I have more ,but ive ranted enough for now.

Lizzy · 01-02-03, 12:30 AM

OK...War just plain scares the crap out of me. I have a good friend in the military and I would be devistated if he were to be sent overseas to fight in a war. I also have a boyfriend living in Ottawa and I am nervous about something happening that would make another contry want to take out our nation's capital. I have been trying not to pay close attention to it because I get to upset...especially after the whole trade center thing. Sure sadam is an *******, and sure I think he needs to be kicked out of his position, but I don't think Bush should be so worried about trying to make sadam behave himself. Maybe Bush should be comcentrating on not pissing off sudam so that the US and it's allies aren't targets of any weapons that he might be making.

eyespy · 01-02-03, 01:23 AM

I come from a family with several folks in the military and my brothers are both draftable so the thought of war scares me senseless. One of the patients in the doctors' office where I worked was shot down and taken hostage during Desert Storm under Papa Bush. Nobody in the US is very far from military ties it seems, and most of the citizens I know wonder why it is our job to remove the terrorists. We certainly weren't chosen as the world's police force.

We are certainly not the only country which has suffered attacks, although 9/11 was very shocking in its brutality and senselessness. I still strongly wonder if intelligence has uncovered plans for another attach which make us so intent on moving in, or if once again we've taken it upon ourselves to police the world.

The oil aspect plays heavily as well. Horrible acts were carried out in the former Yugoslavia, in Rwanda, in Somalia, yet we were very late in acting and really just worked to keep the people from rioting rather than trying to overthrow the leadership there. Is it truly our oil interests which make Iraq so different? I'm afraid that it is. Why else would we go after the country with the greatest assets and probably a large stockpile of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons?

Again, just my opinion. Mostly generated by fear for my uncle, 3 cousins, and 2 brothers safety as well as the safety of all who have volunteered to serve our country.

josefg · 01-02-03, 08:48 AM

I agree with Shane when he said that Bush wants to attack Iraq because of the availabilty of natural resources and not because Bush feels that the United States really need to police the globe.

If Mr. Bush would really like to police the globe why doesn't he interfere in Palestine where the land of the Palestines is being stolen from them by the Israelis who altough wouldn't really pose a threat for the United States, are not really humane when they attack the refuge camps or when they fire from a tank on a teenage kid that is throwing a rock at them. When I see this, I have to beleive two things:
1. The United States only police the globe when profit is involved.
2. They are afraid of the Israelis.
IMO, if they police the globe when only profits are involved, they should refrain from using the word "police" and just declare war on the country involved.

Also as for the Afghanistan campaign, the United States may have did a good thing when they removed the Taliban goverment, however I think that while watching the news bullettins, I missed the part where the US soldiers destroyed the things related to Opium production (including the burining of the fields where the poppies are grown). Like I already said, I could have missed that part, however one has to keep in mind the price Opium gets on the market.

Just my humble opinion. Like Alicewave said, this critism (attack?) is directed to the administration and not to any citizen of the United States.

Lizzy · 01-02-03, 08:57 AM

Here's an idea...why not poar all of the resources that Bush is using to pick on iraq into developing the oil free energy technologies that are already being developed. It would be beneficial to the environment and they wouldn't need to go after a country with so much oil.

frogman · 01-02-03, 09:57 AM

It think it is very interesting that Bush has Chosen to fight with iraq about it's "weapons of mass distruction" which that can't even really prove that Iraq has any. Yet he refuses to even consider fighting Vietnam over the nuclear weapon it has and it admits to having them.

It would seem to me that Bush needs a war to keep him president (no president has ever lost an election during a time of war). He wants to fight Iraq because really he knows that they are no threat to him.

Also Just as a side note what right do americans have to say anything about other people have weapons of mass destruction ?? like they don't have Nuclear Chemical and Biologial Weapons armed and ready to fire ?? cuz I really don't believe that for a second.

Charles