A question for Admin & moderators

[MacAdder]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

so you only have yourself to blame macadder.

I disagree Shaun. I personally don`t care if this particular thread was closed or not but I am looking at the bigger picture here. If a thread goes off topic or goes 'south' it is up to the moderators or admin staff to step in and rectify the issue with warnings or moderating a post within reason. (with an explanation)

Just closing a thread on a whim without a reasonable explanation or procedure goes against the general accepted reason we call a Forum a Forum. Yes, No ?

[shaunyboy]

fair enough mate i hear what your saying regards an explanation.

maybe when a thread is closed a moderator could give a brief explanation for doing it

that in itself would give folk an idea of what will and will not be tolerated

but after randy made it very clear that he did not want to hear folks views on the cobra's procedure and only wanted to know if anyone had any knowledge of the company

surely it was wrong to keep trying to ram your view across.,

i can even under stand posting once to say you dont agree but to keep it going was just asking for it the thread to be locked.


cheers shaun

[MacAdder]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

fair enough mate i hear what your saying regards an explanation.
… folk an idea of what will and will not be tolerated

Thanks Shaun that was what I’ve been trying to highlight.

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

…i can even under stand posting once to say you dont agree but to keep it going…

I believe I have made my opinion on the issue of venomoids an uncompromised one. I have many years experience with snakes and especially venomous animals. I have very little time or consideration for cruelty or the use of these animals for selfish styled bragging rights. This also applies to free handling of venomous snakes and the damage this foolishness does to our hobby in general worldwide.

I will however attempt to express my opinion without personal attack but I will without doubt be as direct and to the point as possible. This will avoid any misunderstandings of my strong opinion on these issues.

This thread was not created to express my opinion about venomoids but it was what I thought about the closing of threads without due procedure. Shaun thank you again for considering my request regards ‘random’ locking of discussion opportunities.

[shaunyboy]

yes mate this thread was about the locking of threads but you did use randys thread as an example

if you had maybe just said

what do you folks think about threads being locked without an explanation ?

im sure you would have got a better result.

so where i do agree with you in it would be nice if an explanation was given

i do not agree with the way you persisted in attacking randys views.

he is entitled to them after all

for the record
i hate the suffering caused to the snakes and our hobby by the de venoming procedure.i too think its cruel and unjust

i still say you could have went about putting your case across in a much better less confrontational way

you and i would most likely get on in a face to face meeting.i too am always honest and stand up for my beliefs.i always speak my mind but try to do it in as polite a way as possible.

there are some things where people just have to agree to disagree

you and randy have imo just found one of these occasions.

as said maybe you should have left randys thread out of it and only brought up the matter of why do threads get locked with no explanation.i feel in bringing randy into it made it look personal between you and him (whether that was the case or not).

on here lately i honestly feel there has been too many personal insults and folk getting flamed just because they do not share the view of the majority or those who deem themselves all knowing.

yes we are all very passionate about snakes but lets not forget we also need to be civil to each other or it just turns into one big slagging match.

there are youngsters on here and those youngsters are the future of our hobby.surely we must lead by example and not resort to personal attacks on each other.

cheers shaun

[MacAdder]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

i do not agree with the way you persisted in attacking Randys views.

Shaun no you are mistaken mate. I never attacked Randy or anyone else thus never persisted in any such act. If the said person due to a misunderstanding believes I did attack him or her then I am sincerely sorry for this and will categorically apologies as this was not my intention.
If Randy has a view that I do not agree with I believe it would not be a personal attack. Please keep in mind that diversity enables us to learn from each other.

An example: If an organization uses violence such as bombing the innocent we generally refer to the group as terrorists. In my opinion if I am aware of anyone being a member of the said organization I will refer to him or her as a terrorist. Even if that individual has not physically been a participant of an act of terror. In short I regard that individual being guilty by association.
I doubt that there will be any ‘nice’ way to express an opinion regards this issue without it being misunderstood as making a personal gesture. (I am not calling anyone a terrorist but using this as an example)

[Lankyrob]

The written medium is pretty much the worst way to have any sort of passionate discussion, face to face seventy per cent ofmthe conversatiom is non verbal and therefore people can readily adapt their own tone of voice, posture and way of speaking to ensure no hurt is caused (or to increase the amount of hurt!). In the written medium it is impossible to do this so we need to all take a step back and read things with a more open mind and the thought thtat if something can be taken the wrong way reread it and see if the person really is trying to attack you. If so Pm them politely and sort it out out of the public eye so that we dont end up with big public arguments.

[Reptile_Reptile]

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I am sure comments like this lead to the decision to close it. This could be considered a theat. When people start say other people should be killed because they don't agree with them. It's time for the thread to be closed. We don't need all the negativity that I for one believe there's been way to much of on here lately. And i like to say right now i am sorry for being part of that negativity.

i agree wholeheartedly

[MacAdder]

Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile

i agree wholeheartedly

You agree with what exactly?

[Reptile_Reptile]

When people start say other people should be killed because they don't agree with them. It's time for the thread to be closed

[MacAdder]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

… so we need to all take a step back and read things with a more open mind and the thought thtat if something can be taken the wrong way …

Lankyrob I agree because face to face has body language which is void in print. I am no English language professor so can easily express what I deem necessary and be misunderstood due to tone or the readers bias view.
It works both ways but the maturity of the reader plays a significant role. The important aspect is communication allowing experience to see a little deeper into an issue with more understanding.

[Reptile_Reptile]

i also agree with that

[MacAdder]

Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile

When people start say other people should be killed because they don't agree with them. It's time for the thread to be closed

Maybe you have not understood what I’ve been trying to say in this thread. Let me try explaining again so you are able to see the wood from the trees.

If the moderator has a problem with what someone says as he or she deems what was said as impolite then the moderator should take it up with the individual concerned or post a warning so all are aware that some rule was bent broken or buckled. To punish the entire thread because of one members opinion is a little over the top. By closing a thread without indicating a reason does not ‘educate’ anyone so no one knows why or learns anything to avoid a reoccurrence etc.

[Reptile_Reptile]

i agreed with you about that point maybe if you clearly read my post you would understand and stop trolling me... i will not return to this thread so say anything in response you want i wont be reading it

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by MacAdder

Maybe you have not understood what I’ve been trying to say in this thread. Let me try explaining again so you are able to see the wood from the trees.

If the moderator has a problem with what someone says as he or she deems what was said as impolite then the moderator should take it up with the individual concerned or post a warning so all are aware that some rule was bent broken or buckled. To punish the entire thread because of one members opinion is a little over the top. By closing a thread without indicating a reason does not ‘educate’ anyone so no one knows why or learns anything to avoid a reoccurrence etc.

as said an explanation would be nice how ever after thinking about it overnight i now also feel that i also should have said,if you look at most locked threads and apply a touch of common sense its not hard to work out why a thread has been locked.

the mods on here imo do a a good job in keeping our forum decent.they are fair and open minded to all the needs of a forum like this.

i may have been a bit hasty in suggesting they give us explanations everytime a thread is locked.im also pretty sure the rules of the forum let us all know what is and is not acceptable on here.

for some reason lately there has been a lot of name calling and non productive posts.

i really do not envy the mods task of trying to keep the site amicable and acceptable for all ages lately.

i now feel im going round in circles so most likely wont post on this particular thread again

rob
i could'nt agree more with what you said mate,trying to guage what a person really means from a written post devoid of voice tones and facial expressions is a very hard task indeed.

and the end of the day we all share the same passion is it really so hard for us all to keep it polite and mannerable ?????

if you feel so passionate that you feel like you have to tare into someone,then why not do what big rob suggested and take it up in private using pm's

cheers shaun

[MacAdder]

Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile

...stop trolling me...

Look young man your little out bust and silly accusation is not appreciated. I suggest you go and post in the kinder garden section because what I have seen from your posts is that you think you know everything about everything.
Maybe I don`t agree or care what you think.