38 gallon ok for a JCP? - Page 2

red ink · 10-05-10, 08:49 PM

The only JCPs (M. s. cheynei) that would nudge the 7 foot mark are the ones from Athertons tablelands, typically these are duller (cream/tan and black) in colouration and not the streotype black and gold/yellow. True rainforest locality jungles struggle to get over 1.5 meters (5 feet).

percey39 · 10-05-10, 08:50 PM

Also a healthy feeding routine is 7-10 days for a hatchie up to around 18 months of age then drop feeding down to every 10-14 days. Once they reach adulthood you can feed them once a month.
Also another thing to consider is, is your jungle pure or a coastal cross. If its a pure jungle the average sizes given are accurate and if its a cross expect it to be close to 9 foot.

percey39 · 10-05-10, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by red ink

The only JCPs (M. s. cheynei) that would nudge the 7 foot mark are the ones from Athertons tablelands, typically these are duller (cream/tan and black) in colouration and not the streotype black and gold/yellow. True rainforest locality jungles struggle to get over 1.5 meters (5 feet).

Specific localities over there are rare to find as most of the species they originally took over have been breed to other localities and other species by now. There are pure species, but are they of pure locality that is the question?
Also there are plenty of 6 foot black and golds getting around and others that are bigger again. I do know where you are coming from though.

red ink · 10-05-10, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by percey39

Also a healthy feeding routine is 7-10 days for a hatchie up to around 18 months of age then drop feeding down to every 10-14 days. Once they reach adulthood you can feed them once a month.
Also another thing to consider is, is your jungle pure or a coastal cross. If its a pure jungle the average sizes given are accurate and if its a cross expect it to be close to 9 foot.

OT: mate, whereabouts in Melb are you? I'm in the western subs.

percey39 · 10-05-10, 08:56 PM

Im just out of the city mate, down in gippsland but do spend a little bit of time in narre warren.

red ink · 10-05-10, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by percey39

Specific localities over there are rare to find as most of the species they originally took over have been breed to other localities and other species by now. There are pure species, but are they of pure locality that is the question?
Also there are plenty of 6 foot black and golds getting around and others that are bigger again. I do know where you are coming from though.

Fair enough mate, guess we're just spoilt for choice here lol. I myself am planning to get a pair next season and will be housing each in seperate enclosures measuring 80cm x 60cm x 90cm. Though i will be selecting specimens that are around the 5 foot mark TL.

percey39 · 10-05-10, 09:11 PM

I have read in the wild that a 2m black and gold has been recorded but the average was was around 1.8m. I kept them a while ago and they were kept in 4x2x3 cages and seemed to love the extra space.

marvelfreak · 10-05-10, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerWortman

I have seen JCPs that are 8 ft long. How do they get there? The owner feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen ball pythons over 5 feet. Why? Because the owner feeds and feeds and feeds their snake. I have seen JCPs that are 12 years old that are just at 5 feet and this is because they are perfectly healthy eating once every two weeks. It is very natural for these snakes to eat around 20 times a year and by doing so they do not become 8.5 ft they stay on the short end of the average size. Average size for JCP are 5-6 ft. Rarely do they become 8 ft and when they do its because they are offered food usually multiple times a week and because their owner want them to grow as big as they possibly can get. I most likely will build a tall vivarium for her in a couple of years but for now she will be perfectly healthy in her 40.

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This is a 8' 4" female jungle carpet. So because my Jungle is over 8 feet i overfeed her? Does she look fat? Instead of listening to some dumb2232censored.gif You should do a little research. I owned her for nine years. She was about 2 and 1/2 feet when i got her.(a yearling) First two years i had her she ate once every two weeks. At about 4 years of age she stopped eating every Nov thru March. Breeding season. I try a rat every two weeks, but she won't touch them. End of March She will start eating once a month for two months then every other week. Come Oct. i feed her once a week. She eats roughly 14 to 16 times a year, but still grew 4 feet in the last 5 years. Oct is the only time she will eat once a week. I always try once a week in April and May, but she won't eat but once each of those monthes. I also Have a Borneo Short Tail python that for is a yearling that for the last 5 monthes will only eat once a month, but in that times grown 4 inches and keeps getting fatter. I try feeding every two weeks, but will only eat one small rat a month.

My Jungle is far from over fed, but slowly keeps growning. Who ever is feeding you these BS is a lying piece of 2232censored.gif. Just like with people genetics has a lot to do with it. Everything Mark said is correct. He is a very well respected breeder of carpet python who knows what he talking about. Also please PM this breeder name so i know never to buy from them.

gonesnakee · 10-05-10, 09:43 PM

Keep in mind folks that this person is only repeating what they have been told by someone they considered 'knowledgable" on the subject.
Good thing they came here to here from others as well

At the Aussies, we do not see any locality Carpets of any sort here other than the subspecies of course.
A Jungles a Jungle & even when considered "pure" is it really?
It may have had some Coastal or Diamond in it from way back when???
Nowadays with the Jaguar & Albino morphs finding "pure" subspecies specimens will be even harder than in the past, no hopes of any "pure" "locales" thats for sure.
You guys won't ship us any so we are stuck with what we have now LOL Cheers Mark

marvelfreak · 10-05-10, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gonesnakee

Keep in mind folks that this person is only repeating what they have been told by someone they considered 'knowledgable" on the subject.
Good thing they came here to here from others as well

Cheers Mark

I know. I am sorry Tyler i am not mad at you it's some of these so called breeders that got me work up. There's a new lady on here who got a snake and was told it was a Jungle, but it's a Irain Jaya Carpet. And then her friend got a boa that she was told was a burmese python. I just hate seeing people being misinform or flat out lied to. Just to make a buck.

Or give advice when they don't know what they're talking about.

gonesnakee · 10-05-10, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by marvelfreak

I know. I am sorry Tyler i am not mad at you it's some of these so called breeders that got me work up. There's a new lady on here who got a snake and was told it was a Jungle, but it's a Irain Jaya Carpet. And then her friend got a boa that she was told was a burmese python. I just hate seeing people being misinform or flat out lied to. Just to make a buck.

Or give advice when they don't know what they're talking about.

I think we all get worked up by such nonesense.
I too hope that Tyler doesn't just take us as a bunch of arseholes based on our concern/passion for the animals.
Don't let us scare/piss you off we are trying to help. Really! Cheers Mark

TylerWortman · 10-05-10, 10:53 PM

Dont worry I haven't taken any posts too emotionally. Who knows how to tie a noose?

Nah Im jk about the noose. Knowing that all you guys were really quick to jump on my balls and tell me really whats up shows me that you care and obviously have more knowledgeable advice than the dude I was getting my info from. My JCP is a lil baby and has a long time before she'll need to be moved out of the 40 gallon. Here is my new plan to housing her.

Sydney my JCP is in 20 a high right now with hides, branches and fresh water that I change every 24-48 hrs. I have a 40 gallon breeder that is slowly getting set-up for her. (still trying to figure best way to secure a main climbing branch bottom corner to top corner that leads up to a higher resting place closer to caged light) When she becomes a little larger about 24-30 inches I will move her into the 40. Not so much longer when she gets closer to full length (which I found recently can be VERY debatable) so when she becomes about 3.5-4ft I will have a viv about 4x2x3 that I will be able to move her into.

How's that sound, much better?

percey39 · 10-05-10, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gonesnakee

A Jungles a Jungle & even when considered "pure" is it really?
It may have had some Coastal or Diamond in it from way back when???
Nowadays with the Jaguar & Albino morphs finding "pure" subspecies specimens will be even harder than in the past, no hopes of any "pure" "locales" thats for sure.
You guys won't ship us any so we are stuck with what we have now LOL Cheers Mark

I wish i could export pure locality specimans as i would imagine the money on my end would be huge lol, but it would be good to see breeders such as yourself that like pures get the chance to work with a wide variety 100% pure aussie snakes. When the day comes and we can import/export i will do some swaps for some of the species you guy's can keep.

Nice healthy looking girl Chuck, the biggest i had in the past was a 7 foot male. She will continue to grow if she is only 9, even if its only slightly.

That sound great Tyler, sydney will love the room. Thats the size i kept mine in for 3 years when they were adults and they loved it.

Freebody · 10-05-10, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerWortman

Dont worry I haven't taken any posts too emotionally. Who knows how to tie a noose?

Nah Im jk about the noose. Knowing that all you guys were really quick to jump on my balls and tell me really whats up shows me that you care and obviously have more knowledgeable advice than the dude I was getting my info from. My JCP is a lil baby and has a long time before she'll need to be moved out of the 40 gallon. Here is my new plan to housing her.

Sydney my JCP is in 20 a high right now with hides, branches and fresh water that I change every 24-48 hrs. I have a 40 gallon breeder that is slowly getting set-up for her. (still trying to figure best way to secure a main climbing branch bottom corner to top corner that leads up to a higher resting place closer to caged light) When she becomes a little larger about 24-30 inches I will move her into the 40. Not so much longer when she gets closer to full length (which I found recently can be VERY debatable) so when she becomes about 3.5-4ft I will have a viv about 4x2x3 that I will be able to move her into.

How's that sound, much better?

sounds great! im really happy you have listened to what was said, somtimes people dont like to here what they didnt want to hear and shut down the train of thought. Good on you bro, your snake will thank you for it i garantee it

marvelfreak · 10-06-10, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TylerWortman

How's that sound, much better?

Sounds awesome! We are true snake lovers here and just hate to see or hear of a snake not getting the best of care. And it really get under our skin when we hear some of the outragous things some of this people will tell newbies just to sell a snake. I am really glad to see you want to do what's best for your snake. And once again sorry i took it so presonal.