Should Herpers be licensed?? - Page 2

C.Phillips · 07-21-10, 07:51 AM

I think it should because I read in a readers digest about this couple who had an 8 foot burm and it got out one night and they put it back in its cage then they woke up the next morning and it had gotten out again and strangled their 2 year old daughter both were prosecuted for 3rd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter how ever reading the article more in dept. It was 100% their fault there terrariums top was a quilt closed mined to the cage?? how irresponsible was that. They clearly neglected the responsibility's on owning a Giant python or any and now they are talking about banning the ownership of giants since they have killed 12 people since 1980. However every case i have heard of has been do to neglect or them simply not feeding or handling them right. When Dogs Kill more people in one year than Giants have in 30.

Lankyrob · 07-21-10, 11:02 AM

Unfortunately on the "other" forum without shouting and making a fuss noone seems to take any notice - i seem to find that my posts on there tho few and far between are more aggressive just purely to get my voice heard - hence why i rarely post there, most of the time i don't even bother checking there as it just seems to make my blood boil.

It's so much nicer here where we can have proper mature discussions about sensitive points where passions can run high but still people are, in the main, polite about making their point.

Thinking about it now it's probably worthwhile cancelling my membership over there and just chilling out with the grown ups here!!!

Hopefully Feebs we know each other well enough to be able to disagree without any issues!!!

Am in need of a coffee so may have to pop in on you soon (and maybe check out your babies!!).

Feebo · 07-21-10, 11:13 AM

Yes we do and yes of course you can ;D

Pythonian · 07-21-10, 11:13 AM

Most definitly they should be licensed (granted I'm a south Floridian.. so I've seen it all). But not all reptiles are hard to care for or dangerous. BUT there are some serious repercussions for poor handling and parenting. Which leads to Weird reptile morphs in the wild, which could lead to health problems (without careful monitoring of breeding and results) as well as, not only hurting that species population safety due to these problems, but also compromising other species in the already developed ecosystem.
The licensing should require a class given for basic reptile care. Then tags for Boids, Venomous, and Rare breeds... I think this will end the "MOMMY I WANT A SNAKE!!!" "okay.. here's a burmese python... now go play in traffic"...

Feebo · 07-21-10, 12:51 PM

Oh wouldn`t THAT be nice!! Bugs the piss out of me to see people doing that and you do see it faaar too often... Dude you AV is ace lol

presspirate · 07-21-10, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pythonian

I think this will end the "MOMMY I WANT A SNAKE!!!" "okay.. here's a burmese python... now go play in traffic"...

That's funny. argues for parental licensing as well. For the record I am in favor of both. Licensing with a class on proper husbandry seems to be the way to go.

shaunyboy · 07-21-10, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Know exactly what you mean, Just yesterday a couple people tried to engage me into a flame war over body piercings! on a popular UK forum.

The people here make the job of moderator seem effortless and easy.

the uk forum your talking about is full of to**ers mate.

imo there are a select few with a lot of hands on experience and as a result are very knowledgable.instead of using said knowledge to do good they tend to use it to belittle and embaress folk.

that said there are a few who will pull out all the stops to help you with a problem.

i have mixed feelings about that forum as yes you can learn a fair bit from it but also ive seen folk scared to ask questions for fear of being flamed.

only last week i pulled a guy who was flaming a 15 year old girl for asking a few very newbie questions about her kingsnake.the poor girl was concerned about her snake.some idiot told her she was ********.these types really make my blood boil.

the mods on that forum are a bloody disgrace.they allow people to falsely advertise things.then when others post to say thats not the snake you say it is.they are the ones who get an infraction against them.

theres a lot of google warriors on it as well.....!!!

rant over

some kind of licencing would be good but sadly there are intelligent folk who would pass the test and can still be idiotic over things.

my other rant over

cheers shaun

Feebo · 07-21-10, 02:57 PM

I`m intregued as to what they called this girl now! lol All those stars don`t tell me much lol

BrandyMom2aFew · 07-21-10, 03:36 PM

/rant

I can certainly understand frustration about stuff like this; I am a proud owner of two pit mixes. They are a great dog and amazing family animals but just like anything else if you are irresponsible with them things can and usually do go wrong. Then people look at responsible owners and call us crazy.

/rant

Lankyrob · 07-21-10, 03:39 PM

I am a great believer in that 99% of the time there are not bad animals but bad owners - i am willing to admit that occasionally you get a "bad" (aggressive, vicious etc) animal that with all the care in the world would always turn out that way.

Pythonian · 07-21-10, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandyMom2aFew

/rant

I can certainly understand frustration about stuff like this; I am a proud owner of two pit mixes. They are a great dog and amazing family animals but just like anything else if you are irresponsible with them things can and usually do go wrong. Then people look at responsible owners and call us crazy.

/rant

I couldn't agree more.... but the problem is, it's much easier to blame the pets, then it is to blame the owners. So if you abuse your pit (not saying you are waht so ever..) then the pit attacks a child because it's lack of care and training.. that Dog is dying... the owner is getting a fine (maybe)...
Therefore if the owner is checked out... licensed.. and under responsibilities and somewhat regulated, less pits will die.. less people attacked.. less abused animals... it's a win win...Yes, less people will own pits (or pythons in this case) ... but those are the people that maybe should not be owning them in the first place..

Pythonian · 07-21-10, 04:22 PM

Want to add one more thing... I was at the mall about a year ago and saw this girl... MAYBE 16 years old with a snake.. running around with it clinging to her hand as she's pumping her arms running.. I stop her and asked to see the snake... It's a baby Burm..... (that's why I said the example in my first post) ... her parents bought it for her 2-3 days ago... When asked what kind it was, she didn't know... I told her and she said "oh yea.. a python"...

I'll be honest... Herpers should WANT these laws passed... because It's going to end up being (a) Every herper needs a license or (b) .. Most snakes will be illegal to Breed, own, or transport... So I'd rather Push for A .. then risk getting B.

BrandyMom2aFew · 07-21-10, 04:45 PM

I definitely agree that it almost always gets pinned on the animal by way of death and the owner gets a slap on the wrist.

I am a regular volunteer for a for a bunch of animal rescues and routinely foster dogs and usually end up with pits or mixes for a few different reasons; I have a child under 5, I have other dogs, my house has visitors of all types at least once a day and there are plenty of cats in my neighborhood to socialize with.

So I am aware of stereotypes and get a lot of flack from uneducated people for walking around my neighborhood with a pit and a small child!

So to go back to snakes I really wish people were more educated. It would make me a lot happier.

Pythonian · 07-21-10, 05:21 PM

Definitly.. Education will solve a lot of problems... if you have any very friendly..herps.. offer to do a small reptile 'show' at local petstores.... setup a table with printouts of favorite foods.. caresheets... etc. right by the reptiles... I do that fairly often.. stores love me because I give them a lot of sales... and I feel good because sometimes i say to parents, or kids... buy a book.. read it.. understand waht you're getting into... for your safety and the animals.. they'll come back a week later, and decide on a smaller herp... or i'll see them with a cart full of good reptile keeper gear.. picking out their new pet.
To me... 2-3 hours of my time.. standing around... if I save or help 1 reptile a day .. it was worth my time.

percey39 · 07-21-10, 06:34 PM

Thats good to hear pythonian and brandymom2afew. I really love pits but they are illegal here now due completely to the things you guys are talking about. I was very upset when they did ban them as i was in the process of setting up my yard for one. Educating people at petshops is great except in all honesty the petshop workers SHOULD be doing it. We have far too many stores here that are just in it to make a quick buck and dont care about their buyers or the effects on the hobby by what they are doing.

Licensing is a necessity for you guys, purely because if florida can pass their laws then so can the rest of your states. I would hate to see the big guy's completely banned over there as i really love seeing pics of them and its tempting me ever so more to move over to california!! I just need the right job opportunity to arise and i will be coming over i think.