Cyclophiops major - Page 2

Palor · 05-26-10, 10:25 PM

i have never heard of him. I got my snakes from Josh at Outback Reptiles.

infernalis · 05-26-10, 10:30 PM

we will see, the pictures looked good.

Nafun · 05-26-10, 10:57 PM

Are these snakes captive bred at all? I love arboreal snakes (just something about a snake coiled around a branch that gets me), but I have ethical objections to WC animals.

infernalis · 05-26-10, 11:33 PM

Sadly, as of now none are captive bred yet.

I have a feeling that will be changing soon.

Right now my ethics says that since this species needs to get "rooted in" and we have a few around now, we can change this.

My concern is keeping the ones already imported alive. "Dealers" are selling them and they keep dying because no one has any data.

I kept mine alive a few years, so I must be on the right track at least a little.

Palor · 05-27-10, 12:09 AM

I think we need to compile a care sheet for them.

infernalis · 05-27-10, 12:17 AM

As soon as I can find it, I started a really nice one....

shaunyboy · 05-27-10, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nafun

Are these snakes captive bred at all? I love arboreal snakes (just something about a snake coiled around a branch that gets me), but I have ethical objections to WC animals.

i dont want to argue over the ethics of wild caught as i agree some of the tecniques are barbaric.imo there is a place for wild caught in our hobby.

if no one ever took wild caught subjects then there would be no snakes in our hobby.after all every single captive bred snake came from their original wild caught ancestors.

cheers shaun

Nafun · 05-27-10, 09:14 AM

I absolutely agree that you can't get cb without wc, that's a no brainer. What I have an ethical objection to, however, is that instead of taking 100 pairs out of the wild *once* and setting up a captive breeding program, they go in every year and take thousands of snakes, sometimes brutally. It would be different if the people capturing these animals were doing so for captive breeding, but they're the antithesis to captive breeding. They don't want these snakes to be captive bred because they're making a killing ripping them out of trees.

infernalis · 05-27-10, 10:29 AM

What really rips my guts out is these green snakes, I am on many major herp forums, and so far everyone has no luck keeping them alive.

Thankfully they are imported at a really low number, I only see 20-30 specimens offered annually.

But that still sucks, especially with a near 100 percent mortality rate. Most of them end up like this before they finally die.

This poor snake went blind from malnutrition before it starved to death. Look close, you can see it's spine, the snake is no longer round.

The woman who sent me the picture even took it to a vet.

Nafun · 05-27-10, 10:34 AM

What do they eat in the wild?
Did you ever try lizards or frogs?

infernalis · 05-27-10, 10:54 AM

No one seems to know what they eat in the wild, There are no sites to research, no data, nothing......

Other people have tried Anoles, no joy.

shaunyboy · 05-27-10, 11:20 AM

we have a place in the uk that has 2 or 3 breeding centres in indonesia.it seems if you take a pair of snakes out the wild then breed them in indonesia then the hatchlings are captive bred and f2's are allowed to be exported.the place in london that recieves them gets them eating before they are offered up for sale to the public.i feel this is a much better way as they know what they have them eating while the snakes are still in their country of birth.they then replicate this in the uk.they have just brought in a shipment of cb in indonesia boelens pythons.these have never been bred outside indonesia until recently i think 2 people in the states managed to successfully breed these wonderfull snakes.the downside is although they are selling you snakes that are healthy and eating their prices are pretty high as they seem to have the monopoly on whats coming out indonesia to the uk at present.maybe if the same type of set up was done for Cyclophiops major then obviously people who intended working with them would have a good base line to start from.
cheers shaun

Nafun · 05-27-10, 11:21 AM

Try tree frogs. kingsnake.com Classifieds: Green Treefrogs here's a source.
More nutritious than worms, and seems a logical thing for a snake that lives in jungle trees to eat.

Coffee Black · 05-27-10, 05:10 PM

Hope to see progress of them both of you . Amazing snakes.

infernalis · 05-27-10, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Black

Hope to see progress of them both of you . Amazing snakes.

Since you are all "stuck" with me for a very long time, you can be assured of many many photos.... Starting with a picture of the delivery man dropping off the box.