Exotic Pets and Legislation - Page 2

emseeKAY · 03-20-10, 04:52 PM

really appreciate all the feedback keep it coming!

and i dont know if many politicians realize that this market is as big as it is... i think that the economy does benefit from the sale of pets especially exotics, if an outright ban did occur there would be no taxes or income made by the government on the sale if it was by the black market. also the products for the care and husbandry of the animal would become scarce i suppose...

Freebody · 03-20-10, 08:30 PM

im not 100% on shipping from the states to canada,i dont think exotics can cross the bornder with out pre arranged permits, i know its not a good idea if is legal anyways, my dad works for canada post and he said at minimum it will get stuck in customs for a few weeks then set back to its destination if it clears a medical check,and with the poor treatment of cargo most likley it will die from stress in that amount of time. planes dont have any laws for where they stick cargo and pets go into cargo area for shipping, do a search hundreds of dogs and cats die on planes every year or recieve hearing loss from the noise ,lack of air , tempreture ... their is a thing i was reading where animal right activist are trying to make airline have a safe place for pets to travel in or ban pet travel 100% . just a tip for mailing pets you should consider.

fflamingmoe · 03-21-10, 02:55 PM

What i don't like is the pet shops are able to have reptiles imported.
But these pet shops sell these animal to people even know it's making that seller a criminal when they leave the store like in Mississauga.
PortCreditPets likes to deal with people in thier own City rather then selling to a City with no By-Law.
And they better get with the program because people are pissed off with these guy's.
There are people that try and take an order but get no reply back with no phone call or email.
They rather make you a criminal and save there own buts.

And to me that makes them irresponsible and not very buisness smart and ignorant.
It's too hard for them to do buisness unless your in thier City and to me that's not how you do buisness and is lazy.
Why have a website saying you ship with in Ontario if your not reliable?

Freebody · 03-21-10, 03:08 PM

ya bylaws are very important now and you need to check these days. where i live in you cant sell the big guys or monitors and iguanas and stuff of big size but if you take a 20 minute drive in any direction you can buy them at the mall pet shops where the buylaws have not been voted in yet , that is just crazy.

fflamingmoe · 03-21-10, 03:18 PM

Yup in Mississauga there are bands on 80% or more of the reptiles they sell.
prohibited Reptiles list for Mississauga.

REPTILES
Crocodylia alligators, crocodiles, gavial, caymans
Squamata lizards that are venomous and that reach an adult
length larger than 2 metres (6.56 ft)
snakes that are venomous
snakes that reach an adult length greater than 3
metres (9.84 ft)
OTHER
All poisonous insects, reptiles, and amphibians

And they sell of the all the above.
And even if there is a pet store with in a By-Law they can still sell and import.
Because it's a buisness and that's how they get away with it.
There is not protection to the buyer only the seller because once the reptile leaves the store it's not their responsibility anymore and that makes me sick.

emseeKAY · 03-24-10, 12:23 PM

for the most part i believe crocadilians are prohibited, although how do those of you who are breeders see the by-laws? does this affect your sales to those who are in area's where the animal is prohibited?

marvelfreak · 03-25-10, 09:26 AM

As far as the big 9 goes. If they made breeders start chipping these animals. (like you can do with cat & dogs) Then when they turn up in the wild they could track down the owners and fine them for setting them loose. This would be one way to start making people accountable. Record keeping on the selling of the big 9 should enforce. For the sole reason of making them be more responsible on who they sell to. Say a burm is found crossing the road. Scan for a chip you find out who the breeder is, call them up give them the id # and they tell you who they sold it to. This person then faces a fine. Doesn't solve the problem, but helps. Then there is a web site where you can order venoms snake for $40.00. I saw one for rattlesnakes and cobras both at these prices. I believe along with having to be chipped you should have to have permits, and have to have training with them first. Make the breeders and people buying them more responsible.

siz · 03-25-10, 10:30 AM

fflamingmoe - please keep talk about Port Credit Pets to the BOI. Not trying to be rude to you but from what I gather this thread doesn't have anything to do with shipping locally, local pet shops, or your issuses with them.

This is a great topic! I'm about to go on lunch at work so I'll just write a little bit for now.

I have lots to say on this topic if I can organize my thoughts hahah.

I think chipping is a great idea for those who own and breed the "big 9". Keeping track of snakes after they have been sold is near impossible I'd imagine, chipping keeps those who bought the snake responisble if anything happens (escape for example).
Unfortunaltey, I'd say it's almost too late to enforce a liscencing/registration program. There are far too many of these animals (and far too many owners who don't care) to even know where to start. Most people just DON'T CARE. The crap part about it is that the people who don't care about the animals, laws, industry, HOBBY, or all of the above are the ones who get everyone into trouble, and at the end of the day, they can just go back to playing their Xbox, while we are left with a coroding industry that we have to struggle to hold up! A few always ruin it for many

It all comes down to education...the general public (the ones voting on these laws) don't really know what they are voting on...ridding the Evergaldes of Burms? That is an pretty indirect result of the ban, really. Am I wrong in thinking the big 9 are still legal to KEEP in Florida, not just transporting them?
anyways gotta go to lunch I'll be back...lol

mommanessy247 · 03-25-10, 03:44 PM

does this legislation thing ban people from owning exotics or will it only affect the breeders?

emseeKAY · 03-25-10, 06:52 PM

depends on which part of legislation you're talking about. if you're talking about the "Big 9" ban than it would both effect owners and breeders, as well as the industry as a whole and anyone connected to it. there are many other pieces of legislation depending on where you go etc.

@ Siz you make an excellent point definitely adding the microchipping part to a solution to protect the animals being sold as well as the owners, in a way it FORCES them to be responsible. who wants to end up getting charged, right? so far to my knowledge that is right that the ban is only on the transportation of the big 9, however that may effect the industry, the fact is that the lawmakers are still allowing these irresponsible owners to keep these animals and i'm going to go out on a limb and say that there must be at least 1 person in each state with a pair of breeding burms, retics, BCI, ARP's whatever... this doesnt seem too smart of a "ban" unless the'yre trying to destroy the sale between states. Also who's to say that many people won't sneak these animals across state lines? are there customs officers between state borders?