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[citysnakes]

Originally Posted by bugger

As to the mouse being flung, you can call that cruel, but is it any more cruel than feeding it live to a snake ?
I personally don't think so.
In fact, I think I'd enjoy the rush of flying through the air before I died much more than the fear of a snake cornering me, and smelling it's breath before and during being dinner.
Lets not kid ourselves here, I'm into kindness to animals, but what's the outcome of the mouse and snake situation anyway. I say the less painful the better.
The thing that really bothers people about this treatment is that it could happen to them, but do you actually see anyone trying to feed you to a snake?

buddy are you serious...? you cant understand the difference between feeding an animal to another that survives only by eating it over killing an innocent being out of frustration over its fear in an unatural situation.

your whole post was ridiculous man im not even going to comment further except that you got some serious learning to do.

[bugger]

The worms are red wigglers.
There is occasionally an ammonia must smell, but I cover the food with peat moss, which is what I use for bedding. Once you cover the food/compost material with peat the bugs pretty much stay away, though I do get some fruit flies sometimes.

In re to the mice flinging, I'd rather die after I fly than have a snake scare the crap out of me and sqeeze me to death and then swallow me, but that's just me. Maybe you'd rather be killed by a snake. I'm just being real about death. A man killing an animal isn't any different than a different animal killing an animal. People just find it offensive that another human would go out of control, and it scares other humans that it happens, but it's alright for a snake or mouse to kill anther living thing... Okay, yeah, right. I forgot, people are gods.,.

[xXKATRINAXx]

Originally Posted by Kmef07

i had a mouse get loose in my car and i spent about an hour and a half trying to get the stupid thing out. It bit me twice and then when i finally caught it i threw it all the way across the parking lot. i was so pissed off it was hiding under my seat and i have a two door sports car and the damn thing would stay under the seat when i moved it forwards and back and it was just horrible. after i threw it i wondered if it lived or not but hopefully it didn't as mean as that sounds it hurt like hell when it bit me and it made me late to work.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i would have done the same thing!! i love animals and am against the cruelty thing but that would have pissed me off too. if you would of left that thing in your car it would of eaten it. that happened to my friend, a mouse got in her car and ate it. it totaled her brand new Kia (i think i spelled that right), and it was 3 payments from being paid off. she was sooooo mad!

[Chu'Wuti]

The worms are red wigglers.
There is occasionally an ammonia must smell, but I cover the food with peat moss, which is what I use for bedding. Once you cover the food/compost material with peat the bugs pretty much stay away, though I do get some fruit flies sometimes.

OK. I was telling my stepson about your first post and he said some people do use earthworms, but they have to add soil to maintain an adequate mineral level for them or they'll die.

I think I'll just stay out of the rest of the discussion; my HO has been posted by others and it won't add to the discussion for me to repeat it.

[citysnakes]

Originally Posted by bugger

In re to the mice flinging, I'd rather die after I fly than have a snake scare the crap out of me and sqeeze me to death and then swallow me, but that's just me. Maybe you'd rather be killed by a snake. I'm just being real about death. A man killing an animal isn't any different than a different animal killing an animal. People just find it offensive that another human would go out of control, and it scares other humans that it happens, but it's alright for a snake or mouse to kill anther living thing... Okay, yeah, right. I forgot, people are gods.,.

i guess youre entitled to your own opinion no matter how immature and/or ignorant it is.

[Kmef07]

The worst part is I had to go and buy another mouse... That is the only thing that i find bad about the outcome. Have you ever squashed a bug Juilan? because at least the mouse got to experience flying before it died. unlike the probably hundreds if not thousands of bugs you've killed throughout your lifetime. (im just assuming you've killed bugs before or had an exterminator treat your house).

[angie_85]

After reading all that, I forget what the original post was about... worms? snakes? flying mice? kias? Is it my short attention span or did this thread go completely off topic?

[citysnakes]

Originally Posted by Kmef07

The worst part is I had to go and buy another mouse... That is the only thing that i find bad about the outcome. Have you ever squashed a bug Juilan? because at least the mouse got to experience flying before it died. unlike the probably hundreds if not thousands of bugs you've killed throughout your lifetime. (im just assuming you've killed bugs before or had an exterminator treat your house).

justifying your inhumanely brutal action with the fact that you enlightend a small mammal with the experience of flight at the cost of its life has got to be the most idiotic reasoning i have ever had to even try to comprehend.

if you cannot repsect the feeder animals that keep your beloved reptiles alive then you should not even own the reptile.

yes you are making an assumption that i kill bugs because i do not. if there is a fly or wasp in my house i open the door or window and guide back outside, if i find a spider in my room i catch it and place it in a dark part of another room and if i see a centipede running across my basement floor i watch it and let it be.

i am not perfect if you must know. i do kill mosquitoes if they are biting me and i will kill snake mites if my collection becomes infected.

a mouse does not want to experience flight at the cost of life or entertainment just as a mouse does not want to get killed and eaten by a snake. i have respect for all living things and would never unnecessarily tourture any one of them for any reason. feeding one animal to another that must eat it to survive and torturing an animal to death because you cannot control youreself are two totally different reasons for killing and only one of them may be justifiable.

although it must be done, i still feel for the rodent that i feed to my snake because i respect all living creatures no matter what value our society places on them.

[bugger]

although it must be done, i still feel for the rodent that i feed to my snake because i respect all living creatures no matter what value our society places on them.[/quote]


this is my point, if you're keeping a snake in a captive environment and feeding them living things, then why call someone immature etc. That is uncalled for in a public forum. I'd say take it to PM, but I wouldn't want a PM about it, since my opinion seems to differ, as do others.
I actually kinda like the mice better than the snakes, for entertainment value , but I gotta feed the snakes, eh.
I don't want to feed the mice I have to produce pinkies, unless they go biting me, but then I'm the one that is keeping it captive so who's fault is it for biting me, but who has a right to judge since we are all holding animals, probably against their will, but who knows...
I'm not here to judge, but I'd say death is death, and being eaten or smashed is still a death that wasn't by choice, as are almost all deaths.

bottom line for me is, I like my mice, till they try to harm me, just as they don't like things that harm them. My mice seem to like me, though they much prefer their own.
I coulda bought a kill trap for a couple bucks, or less at a yard sale, and just whacked his butt and bought another male for two bucks, but I'm a considerate immature a$$hole, so there ya go, jesus.
I don't know about you, but I've killed animals before, for food. First deer I was 12 years old, and didn't think of it as bambi, but now I don't hunt cause I don't feel like killing animals, unless they flick my switch, then it's on.

The earthworms, I'm assuming you are refering to night crawlers as earthworms, like deep burrowing areas. They burrow and live in the burrowed tunnels, whereas red wigglers just eat the composting material, especially manure, that is close to the surface.
Red wigglers will survive with only 4 inches of depth to live in, and they don't care for dirt, but night crawlers like dirt and compost and drag the compost down into their burrows that go several feet into the earth.