Ball Python cut - Page 2

headdown · 11-10-05, 09:30 AM

More than anything the serial killer comment was way out of line, plain stupid and not thought out obvioiusly, there's nothing wrong with enjoying nature at it's fullest, but it is dangerous for the snake so hopefully the curiosity and fascination will be out your system and your snake can get on to f/t right away. As for the wound, clean it up with some bedadine and use poly or neo as everyone else has suggested, and hope for the best when it's shed time. Good Luck.

joey · 11-10-05, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rrrrr

Just for fun now, snakes do not dislocate their jaws.

Humans lower jaws are attached directly to their skulls. This limits the range of motion that a human jaw has. Snakes lower jaws are attached to the quadrate bone which is in turn attached to the skull. This "double hinge" allows the jaw to open much wider. Also, the hinge joints at both ends of the quadrate bone are very flexible allowing a lot of movement in all directions. Finally, while humans have a solid chin (fused mandibular symphysis), snakes do not. The left and right side lower jaws are attached to each other by a stretchy ligament rather than being fused bone. This allows the snake 's mouth to strecth open wider at the "chin" (rather than at the hinge) making a HUGE difference to the size of prey items it can swallow.

But, the joints dont actually become dislocated during swallowing...

thanks for the info. :atom:

peterm15 · 11-10-05, 07:24 PM

wow.. first time ive seen anyone attacked for attacking someone feeding live.. lol..

anywho.. if there is no blood just use some polysporin. the cream stuff works better so im told.. havent had to do it. i just do my reasearch...

as for feeding.. there is nothing wrong imo with wanting to see it hunt and stuff but there is just to much danger... and plus they still hunt ( mostly) when feeding f/t... i actually find it better to watch.. there not chasing something around. there like scavengers finding there food while only useing their toungs.... as well feeding f/t is more economical.. cheaper and you dont have to run out every week to get mice....

id also suggest you switch to rats... as your snake becomes older hell need larger meals to satisfy his hunger... and health.mice frankly cant cut it. rats are a littloe more expansive but in the short and long run its worth it. there healthier as well

NocturnalBC · 11-12-05, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by peterm15

id also suggest you switch to rats... as your snake becomes older hell need larger meals to satisfy his hunger... and health.mice frankly cant cut it. rats are a littloe more expansive but in the short and long run its worth it. there healthier as well

What do you base this on?..or is it something you have read or been told? This has been asked for years and I know for a fact that there is know evidence that mice are any less in protein and neutrience then rats are. The only thing rats have as an advantage is size, other then that there is no diff. I've read that 2 or 3 smaller (mice) meals are easier to break down & digest then one large (rat) meal, this is something I have only read but it makes sense to me.

headdown · 11-12-05, 10:53 AM

I too agree with what was just previously stated about mice and rats, there is no nutritionally better rodent unless of course the rats were kept really poor and the mice were not or vice versa, but overall they offer the same nutritional value, it would just look really funny offering a big burm or something 10+ mice LOL

NocturnalBC · 11-12-05, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by headdown

I too agree with what was just previously stated about mice and rats, there is no nutritionally better rodent unless of course the rats were kept really poor and the mice were not or vice versa, but overall they offer the same nutritional value, it would just look really funny offering a big burm or something 10+ mice LOL

HAHAHA..I could just see the look on Burmie's face.."Are you serious!"..lol

hbwright · 11-12-05, 11:22 AM

Shoot, my reply was just erased.

Guys, this boy admitted to feeding live for the thrill of it even AFTER he experienced what a live rodent can do to his pet. He doesn't deserve ths pet. As far as I'm concern if this doesn't convince him the snake is just too good for him. :medangry:

As for the cut make sure you use an antibiotic ointment without pain reliever in it. And.....get off your darn high horse and get it to your vet. Your topic is misleading. We are not talking about a "cut", we are talking about a BITE!!!!!! Rodent bites are full of germs and your risking infection.

Joey, please e-mail this lady, she has much experience in getting people to switch from live to f/t. She has helped others who have said they can't make the switch. I haven't contacted her about sharing her e-mail but let her know Heidi told you to e-mail her and I know for a fact she would love to help you.

peterm15 · 11-13-05, 04:59 PM

im pretty sure i read it on a site that gave nutricinal info about different feeders, mice rats chicks rabbits.. but i may be wrong.. but i have heard it a few times.

its healthier to feed one good sized meal then a few smaller ones.. i know id have to feed like 6 or 7 of the mice i can get to feed my female... as for nutrition maybe i read rong.. but i did read it somewhere

galad · 11-13-05, 06:54 PM

I dont know they are different species. they could store different amounts of fats and protiens in thier bodies. But it prob is not enough to make much of a difference.

Princess Erica · 11-13-05, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by peterm15

its healthier to feed one good sized meal then a few smaller ones.. i know id have to feed like 6 or 7 of the mice i can get to feed my female... as for nutrition maybe i read rong.. but i did read it somewhere

Actually, I've always heard the opposite, that it's easier on the snake's digestive system to feed several smaller prey items. Just goes to show how much mixed information is out there to wade through...

I say feed what's easiest and most readily available. For some people, that's one big rat. For others, it's a couple smaller mice at once. Either way, the important part is that your snake is eating regularly and is healthy and happy.

Corran · 11-13-05, 11:57 PM

As far as feeding live it depends on the situation, some animals will get hooked and will refuse all else. My friend has a 6 yr old female ball that will refuse to eat anything but live. She eats about 4 mice per feeding. From what ive learned about multiple feedings, the issue is not in the nutritional value, they are both rodents with similar physical aspects. It's more the psycological where they always expect more after being fed. Anyways I agree that the original poster is not being very responsible about feeding live for the sole reason that it is fun to watch, I can only understand if he has no choice. And some know it alls should really think before they post. You want to make a compelling argument use reason, thought and facts, not useless examples that are in no way related to each other.

joey · 11-14-05, 03:45 PM

I couldn't get the email link to open.

I've been feeding my ball python 2 mices per meal---tonight I go up to 3. She really loves them. Well, she never leaves any left-overs. lol :bounce:

hbwright · 11-14-05, 07:48 PM

Joey, Please e-mail me and I'll be glad to give you her information. You can use the link in my profile for my e-mail. She has already said she would like to help you convert.

newticus · 11-15-05, 07:04 PM

never mind, i can't unpost

boidboi · 12-12-05, 06:04 AM

this is about the fasination about watching snakes eat i feed all my snakes F/T but i use tongs and put the mouse/rat around so the snake has to strike at itand in most cases in coils around just as it would if you fed live but this way both humane for the rat and reptile so every one wins

and for the guy that was talk about the serial killers reptiles 4 me i believe
just because people find the way snakes eat interesting doesnt mean that there deranged pyschos or serial killers