Please Help

[steelnink]

The kid asked for advice how to help treat his bp, not a ****ing lecture how or where to buy a snake.
These are the posts that really piss me off, someone asks for help and they get lectures, you should all get off your high horse...
Has none of you ever bought from pet stores, or made bad mistakes when first getting into the hobby?
Some of the advice that is given in this forum, is by people who don't know **** from sherlock, just reguratating what they have read or heard.
Then some jackass scorns down on a rook, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
You all need to chill and get a clue, and try to remember yourself as rooks.

[BoidsUnlimited]

Originally Posted by steelnink

The kid asked for advice how to help treat his bp, not a ****ing lecture how or where to buy a snake.
These are the posts that really piss me off, someone asks for help and they get lectures, you should all get off your high horse...
Has none of you ever bought from pet stores, or made bad mistakes when first getting into the hobby?
Some of the advice that is given in this forum, is by people who don't know **** from sherlock, just reguratating what they have read or heard.
Then some jackass scorns down on a rook, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
You all need to chill and get a clue, and try to remember yourself as rooks.

LMFAO! Your are ABSOLUTELY right buddy! Next time someone makes a bad choice..lets NOT point it out to him so he can go make that BAD choice again. So how about you step your your "high horse," and realize its not a lecture, but some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism....grow up and calm down. Your right too...I made these mistakes, then I was pointed out about them, thats how I learned.

Wow....I'm done

Later

Don Meyer

[Rikki]

Thank you for your replies, I appreciate your help though I do not appreciate your lectures, I asked for help to save the life of this snake. I am not going to the pet store to simply return him or get my money back, this is a living creature not an item. If I were to report this pet store they would do nothing about this. Though if you want to know you can have the pet store name and number.

Dogpatch Pet Shop
903-792-5697

[Rikki]

Second of all, I have done my research before I made my purchase. I am most certaibly not a n00b.

[Greg West]

If you had done your research you would have realized that you don't buy an animal that isn't eating, and is in a cage with other dead and dying animals. The way I see it you wanted a snake and you had to have it now instead of waiting to find a healthy eating specimen that came from a reputable breeder. Im not a snake person, but I have enough common sense to know that if an animal is in a cage with sick or dead animals that more than likely there is something wrong with it as well.

These pet stores should not be supported in any way whether buying the animal there, or buying the food there. The more money you give to a store like that, the more money they reinvest bringing in sick animals or bringing in animals that become sick due to there negligence in care.

Greg West

[Dark_Angel_25]

Sorry everyone,
I too agree with those saying you should not have bought it, BUT.. and it's a BIG BUT...

You SHOULD NOT BE BUYING ANY REPTILES if you dont even have a VET for REPTILES in your Area... you CANNOT say you can take care of all the needs of the reptile unless you have a certified and qualified vet.

If not in your area directly, then RESEARCH and FIND ONE NEARBY,

I'm sorry but it REALLY PO's me when people dont think of the what if;s

What IF my snake gets sick?
What IF my snake gets loose and gets attacked by another family pet?

What would you do then? let iy die? I'm sorry.. but if a vet isnt nearby, then FIND ONE YOU CAN GO TOO... even if you have to DRIVE for and hour or more.... you bought it, you are responsible for it.

Like someone mentioned, you wouldnt buy a puppy from someone with dead dogs on the property... well you wouldnt buy one either if you didnt have someone you could take it too if it got sick...

[Rikki]

I understand what you are saying, but please remember THIS IS NOT MY SNAKE, this is my cousins snake which I am trying to help with all of my might. I have a perfect baby ball python at home who is feeding great and is very active. I greatly thank you for all of your replies, they are helpful and greatly appreciated. Though I was informed that the snake we had purchased was one of the snakes that was imported just the day before, he was very healthy and active, he looked just like what any ball python should look, he was active, moving, drinking, he had clear eyes and skin as well. Then we bring him home to have this happen. I care for reptiles, they are something I have dedicated my life to, last night I only got a few hours of sleep because of this snake, I do not regret purchasing this reptile, I am going to help this creature.

I would not like to be confused with someone who does not care for his or her animals. I am a reptile keeper who has been in the hobby for a few years now, I do anything in my power to care for reptiles and provide them with a loving and caring home. All of my reptiles are in elite health, I look forward to bringing the same to my cousins snake.

We are contacting a vet a few hours away from our home at this time. I will keep you updated on our progress. Thank you for your time and understanding. Please do not say that I do not care for my animals or make comments suggesting such. These reptiles are like my children, I care for them and will do anything in my power to help them.

[Serpens]

Okay, I think he gets the idea. Let's not try to rub his mistake in by going over it again and again, but help him learn. People don't learn by having others rub in their mistakes. Being informed is one thing, having others all but ridicule you is something else.

As for Steelnink's post, I'd just like to point out that I am a 'rook' or novice in the hobby, but just because I'm a rookie doesn't mean that I shouldn't try to help in the best way I know how, which is, at the present time, to offer the only knowledge that I have at my disposal. When I'm offering advice, I often mention that I'm not an expert and to double check any info with someone who has more experience. I, along with other rookies I'm sure, are only trying to help out a fellow herp lover in the best way we know how. Angry posts that point out our limitations don't help our confidence in the abilities and knowledge that we are gaining by reading and participating in these forums. We can all learn and offer help, regardless of whether we've been involved in this hobby for months or decades.

Serpens

[steelnink]

O.K. lets go there.
Say you purchased a reptile from a pet store, breeder, or even an expo, days or even weeks down the road a problem pops up and that gorgeous reptile's health starts to decline. You jump on the forum to ask for some help, and HOPEFULLY, some good advice, and instead of everyone trying to offer help dealing with your concerns, you get lecture about doing your research, you shouldn't of bought it, blah, blah, blah, nothing pertaining to the questions you asked.
Constructive criticism involves both positive and negetive comments...
I have no problem with rooks, many friends are new to the game, but when you cannot offer help with the problem at hand, stay out of the conversation.
Rikki this question is for you. After this ordeal you and your cousin is going through with the bp, would you ever buy or suggest to anyone, to purchase a reptile from a pet store?
I'll assume the answer is NO.
So everyone, even without all of the negative,[ CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM], lesson is learned.
Boidsunlimited did you suggest for Rikki to get a HEAT ROCK, nuff said.

[Rikki]

No I would not tell someone never to buy a reptile from a pet store. You should not judge every single pet store by ones mistake.

[sharno]

ok sorry to keep on about this but steelnik what i said has nothing to do with a pet store because i buy reptiles from a pet store, well a well known reptile stores and they are perfectly fine but this has to do with buying a snake that was probably crawling around on dead snakes along with sick ones. i mean do you really expect everyone on this forum to keep their mouths shut when someone says that they did that ?? thats like saying oh i just cut off my finger and coming to a forum and asking how to put it back on, do you really expect everyone to tell him how to put his finger back on... no they are gonna say why the hell did you cut your finger off. same thing here and no why dont you go back and read boids post and you will see he did not recommend a heat rock..... haha nuff said

and Rikki do you excuse this mistake because it is your cousins ?? cuz if i can still read correctly in your post, it said that you picked this snake out of the cage. so no matter whos snake it is and how you are trying to help him. you still picked the snake out you might care for the animals and thats great but sometimes you just gotta use common sense.

[steelnink]

Originally Posted by BoidsUnlimited

I agree with sharno.

If you did your research correctly, you would know not to purchase a snake that is living with sickly looking snakes//dead ones. Your snake may look fine, but what if one of those snakes has IBD, or an RI. Your snake has a pretty high chance of contracting it now as well. Also a heat rock? Another sign lack of research was done.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but it sorta ticks me off when people don't read about the animal they wish to get, then this happens, and the petstore just got away with another sale which should NOT have been made at all.

Unfortunately the damage has been done, and all that is left to do is treat the snake with the best of intentions. Like some said, bump the temps up to around 80-90, get a heat rock, mist twice a day, and give it a week before attempting any food source. If nothing happens, you may have to drive aways to get to a vet. If you do, try and get a stole sample for when you take him, internal parasites may be an issue here as well.

Thanks,

Don Meyer

Maybe you should learn how to read, before making a post.Nuff Said

[steelnink]

Well the can was opened,
Do you rooks want experienced keepers to respond to posts shaming newbies for stupid mistakes?
If so, i'll have to quit my job so i have time to LECTURE ...
I merly stated Rikki asked for help, HOW THE HELL, is preaching the perils of purchasing a healthy, cbb, animal helping him or the bp?
When the first UNRELATED reply was made, everyone jumped in, adding insult to injury.
This kind of attitude is telling me, well we don't know how to help, but, i still know more than you, you should have done this,and this, and this.
Do you all feel better about all your knowledge and wisedom that you passed on?
If so, have a hero cookie.
I am the type of person who believes, every pet shop that deals with reptiles should be put out of business, they should stick with dogs and cats, etc.
Everyone should ONLY buy cbb from breeders, so pet stores won't stock reptiles, hire someone who knows **** about their care, and call themselves REPTILE EXPERTS because they look after that section of the store.
I do agree with SOME of the replies, but i will not rub his nose in it, like a dog who just **** on the carpet.

[steelnink]

I'll just add some salt to the wound,
General research you find in a book, but you won't find experience.. Maybe instead of doing anything when i go on vacation, i'll just go through past threads, and instead of offering help and advice, i will just point out others mistakes, and ridicule them, maybe then, i can have a hero cookie.

[sharno]

ok i will say sorry about boids unlimited's comment cuz he did comment against them in the first paragraph and then i guess he recommended them later which is stupid but i did not see that i figured the first one was his opinion. but anyways i was the first one to post about it so whatever lets all bow down and do what you say