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04-11-05, 09:40 PM
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O.K, I said I'd never post on this forum again, but you did not post this on any forum I participate in, so I gotta make this post.
My first reaction is "that is just wrong, we've crossed the line here" but after looking at the pictures and things, my post is not going to be about that.
I never thought a woma would breed with anything besides a blackhead, and dont think that cross should be highly sought after, but I'd be interested in the results none the less.
This cross is way more interesting in my eyes. Woma's can breed with other pythons - it's been proven now.
Many of the pictures, to me, look very much like baby rainbow boas (in head shape and things). I don't know what I'd have thought the cross would have looked like, but a kind of boa is not what I'd have thought. So I guess I'm glad to see what they look like - and huge congrats on that project.
7 eggs hatching is way better than most bateater crosses I've heard of - so you either did an amazing job, or it might be suggest that woma's and carpets are easier to cross than retics and burms - which most people consider to be much easier to do.
I have these questions.... Did the snakes actually breed and do it naturally, or was there any human intervention at all. By this I mean any hormones for the female, or any re-direction of semen.
To me, the science of this cross is more interesting than the fact someone played frankenstein.
I tried to make bateaters last year cause I think they are cool, so I'm not gonna preach about trying this cross. Very interesting snakes, - looks like a lot of diversity, I can't wait to see them as they age.
Ryan (Scales Zoo)
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04-11-05, 10:01 PM
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Those little guys look incredable, I never would have thought of a woma carpet cross. Really neat. YOu have to let us know what they look like as adults and if they have any breeding potential of their own, I would guess not but hey I would have guessed that it could never have been done. Good for you.
~John
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04-12-05, 01:36 PM
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Here's hoping that the seven which managed to hatch (a 33% hatch rate should be a strong indicator that this isn't right) have internal deformities that kill 'em off within the next couple weeks.
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04-12-05, 02:28 PM
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Heres hoping that your wishes of ill luck bring it on yourself there M. surinamensis. Talk about bad Karma, hoping for animals to die just because they don't coincide with your own personal beliefs. I think you to be the one with the internal deformities to wish such things. Mark
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04-12-05, 03:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by M_surinamensis
Here's hoping that the seven which managed to hatch (a 33% hatch rate should be a strong indicator that this isn't right) have internal deformities that kill 'em off within the next couple weeks.
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Regardless of whether or not you agree with hybridising a critter i cannot fathom why you would wish the animals suffering and death.
Very strange.
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04-12-05, 03:21 PM
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I never mentioned any suffering... a painless death would be quite acceptable.
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04-12-05, 03:39 PM
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I agree, In my eye's this is just wrong... In another thread we have people talking about cat killing, and here hybrids... wierd....
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04-12-05, 04:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by M_surinamensis
I never mentioned any suffering... a painless death would be quite acceptable.
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How would this painless death occur?
For the record i don't really agree with hybridising anything really...but that would be just my opinion.
IMO these animals are interesting because who would have thought that such different species could be genetically compatible?
A thorny issue though, fascinating or not.
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04-12-05, 04:12 PM
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i also disagree with producing hybrids, just dont think people should do it but they do. i can't stop them, i wish they didn't do it but i wont force myself to hate the products. i think that snake is absolutly gorgeous and alot of other hybrids are beautiful but i think we are better off with out them.
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04-12-05, 05:02 PM
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Beautiful...
Here's hoping that the seven that hatched stay healthy.
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04-12-05, 06:34 PM
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Great work K!
Good luck with those seven and I'm sure most here hope to see many pics with time.
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04-18-05, 11:12 PM
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Regardless of my feelings on the hybridization issue, I do NOT understand someone wishing these innocent animals dead. That ill wishing is just wrong. JMO.
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04-20-05, 11:44 PM
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Hybrids are awesome I don't see why people have a problem with them
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04-21-05, 12:14 PM
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Totally wrong but amazing none the less
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04-21-05, 12:56 PM
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21 eggs, 14 of them bad???? That should tell you something right there by its self..... I could see breeding intergrades that occure naturaly, but this is just sickening..... They should be fed to a monitor or king cobra..... Heres to hoping they are all unable to reproduce
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