Monitor Questions - Page 2

V.hb · 03-11-05, 08:27 PM

They are pieces of crap, man-made pieces of crap. They're perfectly fine and awesome animals until they get crated up with hundreds if not thousands of others, shipped over and then thrown into a petstore loaded with parasites and other..Crap?

Jeff is perfectly right using that slang, it's about the only way to get a point accross to some people. Not saying the author of this thread needed such a blunt response, but he's right...

Jeff_Favelle · 03-11-05, 09:18 PM

Exactly, and way better stated that I had done!

mark129er · 03-11-05, 10:35 PM

I surf here alot looking for info. Jeff may be about as subtle as a 20 lb sledgehammer but is is RIGHT every time he types something.

Jeff_Favelle · 03-12-05, 05:47 AM

LOL!

monitor12345 · 04-03-05, 09:07 PM

he may be right but no animal is a "piece of crap" animals are living beings the same as you and i and your not a piece of crap, well , maybe but if you call a sav a piece of crap then you have no right owning a herp

V.hb · 04-03-05, 09:09 PM

Hmmmm, if you look at Jeff's NUMOROUS animals you would see the last thing he thinks a herp is, is a piece of crap.. Look at his animals..... He's comparing a sickly, sad basically dying imported savannah monitor to a captive bred, raised HEALTHY ackie. He's blunt, but thats obviously what it takes for some people to get a point.

monitor12345 · 04-03-05, 09:12 PM

and another thing, ive noticed by the pics on your site you seem to like ball pythons, a ball python is the same in the snake worldas asav is in the lizard world, people buy them because their small and "pretty" and just end up getting rid of them because theyre too big, even though theonly get to an amazingly small three and a half to four feet

kap10cavy · 04-03-05, 09:29 PM

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That's why its great to live in a free country where you can have an opinion and not be persecuted for it.

Damn, and all this time I thought you were in Canada.
Hahaha
I have to sort of agree with you though. Go look at any reptile rescue. What do they all have? Savs and iguanas.
I myself have spent countless hours and money trying to save some of these critters. They can be fun little critters if you are willing to spend the time, money and energy to get it healthy.
My wife is a sav freak. I get them healthy and trade them off for fun critters like my argus and amazon tree boa.

Scott

SnakeyeZ · 04-03-05, 09:46 PM

You all seen to forget that every reptile started as an import..how else would they get here?....saying there peices of crap...you should make that statement too all herps, because they all did get imported from somewhere at some point in time and have been captive bred, I am a savanna owner and am looking for pairs so I can get the savanna's up there with the rest of the captive bred species in canada. Gotta start somewhere, correct? Anyone care to join me?

V.hb · 04-03-05, 09:49 PM

No, not every single animal was imported in the masses savannah monitors, iguanas etc are.

Look at say, Argus monitors. You never see tons and tons of them imported, and no, not all argus monitors are aussie species either.

Savs come in thousands, mostly DOA, then shipped to crappy pet stores where they either die, get purchased and die due to inhumane neglect (most often, the owner doesnt know any better in regards to husbandry) Or the very rare occasion, the sav goes home and lives a somewhat normal exhistence... It's sad. But, Jeff's Blunt attitude does have merit.. You just have to think into it a bit more than you have.

SnakeyeZ · 04-03-05, 10:10 PM

I didnt say the exact same way..but every herp was imported at one point...not matter the quantity we brought them here at....and its sad that alot of these herps repuations are ruined because of this...and that so many die because of our 'needs'.
Jeff does have a point, but there all living animals and deserve some sort of respect. Its not there fault our human nature is to remove somthing from the wild...so we can go home with a healtier wallet, not caring for each individual animal as a being.
My point is....id like to have them captivly bred in canada..so that there's no need to mass out with the importing. Jeff, I got nothing against you mang, you know that :-D

This is straying off topic...soo...I definatly wouldnt choose a nile monitor..and many of the other suggestions of ackies, and argus would make much better pets.

kap10cavy · 04-03-05, 10:27 PM

Some people love savs, my wife is one of them. They are fun when they are young and growing. I enjoy them myself, they just aren't my favorite. I was flamed on another forum for trading two savs for an argus baby. The poor girl blew a gasket when I told her I was breeding savs for albig food. some people just can't take a joke.

Scott