Snow Boa......a jewel in a collection! - Page 2

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 02-01-05, 08:20 PM

MARK:

Thank you

Tony

Scales Zoo · 02-01-05, 10:22 PM

I think it would look great on a newspaper. Winnipeg Sun, would make that snow look really nice I think.

Ryan

timfriesen32 · 02-01-05, 10:32 PM

Odin looks amazing Tony.

Snows are my dream.....might have to pic up a pair of dbl hets once you produce them.

Best of Luck. Hope your poss dbl het is a dbl het.

TIm

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 02-01-05, 10:57 PM

TIM FRIESEN:

Thanks, both me and Micheal hope she is as well. He got her from some breeder in USA not well known but was said to be a DH Snow that they bought and needed to sell. He got it dirt cheap has alot of markings to be Het Albino and kinda looks DH Snow from some other USA breeders I have seen. So right its a guess, I don' t mind trying Odin on this girl, worst case scenario on a successful litter is a bunch of Hets, best case would be a Snow

Crossing fingers for a healthy decent litter is all I can ask for for now.

Tony Pharosx

CamHanna · 02-01-05, 11:21 PM

I think he would look great on a Mitchell Advocate

. But who in Mitchell would want a snow? Hmmm...

Great lookin' snake Tony and good luck with your pairing.

Scales Zoo · 02-02-05, 11:49 PM

I'm betting you can get a picture of the snow on a manitoba newspaper, faster than you can the sunglow.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...297#post464297

Ryan

Scales Zoo · 02-03-05, 12:13 AM

Or, maybe you can't... - that boa does look pretty big to me too.

Is it at your facility? Why not prove it, if it is?

What bothers me most, is if I was going to send our het for snow out there, what would you have done with it. If you don't have a breedable male snow boa, then my guess is you'd have tried to breed our het to something else, or sent back a different snake.

This is why I'm ticked, and I think you owe it to me proving you have the snake at your facility, as you had promised me that you did a long time ago when we first talked about the loan.

Ryan

JDouglas · 02-03-05, 01:10 AM

If there not his boas than whose are they? Why would someone post pics of someone else's snakes? I haven't been to the forum lately and don't know what this is about?

Tony are the snakes yours and can you prove it and put an end to this please so we can go on admiring you boas without wondering if they are really yours?

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 02-05-05, 06:21 PM

EVERYONE:

First off I apologize to the community that this thread and the Sunglow (hot topic) thread went the way it went. That being said I think I must bring something up that started all this negativity towards me. There is no need to bother to reply back to it because I am about to prove something as a whole from a direct manner, that has to stop this once and for all.

The below information must be seen and agreed upon that this member opened this for discussion and has made an assumption both here and on the Sunglow, with a tornado affect. Yet he then states something that says I am right, so you all go ahead and decide for yourselves on this proof and then relate it to this thread and the Sunglow thread. Do I really need to prove anything when the accuser himself has nothing to state. A negative and a positive statement in one and still the membership here doubt me?

Below is the animal in question and commented on by the accuser.

Below is the accuser stating his assumption.

"The most recent picture of the snow boa, was taken with the camera you use for all your other pictures of boas you actually have at your place, which makes me think either you just got the snow, or it is a picture of a different snow that you took, some other time.

I'd like to know when you took the picture, but oddly enough, there are no dates on any of the pictures you actually take, but I can tell which ones were taken with the olympus camera you like so much.

odinsnowboa011 Olympus c4040Z - no date"

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=2

Then this statement is said.

Quote:

Originally posted by Scales Zoo
I'm betting you can get a picture of the snow on a manitoba newspaper, faster than you can the sunglow.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...297#post464297

Ryan

I replied to a member about the Snow' s status.

Quote:

Originally posted by BOAS_N_PYTHONS
MARK:

I am trying him out on a poss. DH Snow, its more to see if she is one then anything else. I don' t like breeding my males at under 4 feet and under 3 years of age so whatever happens, happens.

Tony Pharosx

Then the accuser says this.

Quote:

Originally posted by Scales Zoo
Or, maybe you can't... - that boa does look pretty big to me too.

Ryan

On a personal note, I did forget to give details of that photo. So I will now. As some of you may know that have kept current with my posts about this boa will agree with is that I am trying to see if he is ready to breed, I feel he is young. As stated in my quote I do not like to breed males to young or small. That photo was of him in shed sitting in a grey Rubbermaid shoebox tub. Now that he is in the breeding process (experimentation) and the delicate nature of this project I can not just comply with photos on request. Maybe I am being anal about this but the delicate nature of the breeding is very important to me and the community as well as Canada itself. I would not ask anyone in this forum to risk there potential projects just to prove me right or wrong, so respect me enough in the same manner. I think that is fair.

I am trying alot of experimentation on this project that I hope I can collect enough data and possible state as a science once the first steps of this project are taken. Breeding animals to me is not just a fun adventure but also something I consider a science. The Snow Boa species does have alot of "facts" that are yet to be proven as other morphs have achieved. I am very secretive and anal about this project so please bare with me as I hope to bring actual informative breeding processes I have learnt and wish to share with the community. All I want to do is contribute something of value back to the world where I gained my first steps to the next evolution of the herp community.

Please do not bother to insult or embarrass me of the method I am trying to explain myself, I do not do this with any of you and see no reason anyone has to do it to me.

Thank you and I hope we can all get along.

Tony Pharosx

PS:

If a moderator wishes to close this thread I am fine with that. I do not see reasons why anyone will bother to rebuttal me when everyone already said there and I said mine. Both this and the Sunglow post exploded from really nothing. It is a shame that it went that way and that people felt to voice unrelated issues as well. I am sorry once more but since the situation was proven by me on the Snow, I see no reason to do this with the Sunglow. I do not want to rehash things over and over. I did not want to put people on the spot to prove my point, but there was no reason for them to do it too me that is even related to these issues.

I do not expect an apology from my accuser and people who followed his belief even though the proper protocol is exactly that.

I am sorry you all felt it was necessary and I hope the overall community can move forward in time.

Peace.

BOAS_N_PYTHONS · 02-05-05, 06:29 PM

EVERONE:

Please read this reply as well, because it shows more of the staus, I forgot to put in the above reply.

Quote:

Originally posted by BOAS_N_PYTHONS
TIM FRIESEN:

Thanks, both me and Micheal hope she is as well. He got her from some breeder in USA not well known but was said to be a DH Snow that they bought and needed to sell. He got it dirt cheap has alot of markings to be Het Albino and kinda looks DH Snow from some other USA breeders I have seen. So right its a guess, I don' t mind trying Odin on this girl, worst case scenario on a successful litter is a bunch of Hets, best case would be a Snow

Crossing fingers for a healthy decent litter is all I can ask for for now.

Tony Pharosx

beanersmysav · 02-05-05, 06:35 PM

Well I've been quiet this whole time, and I must say I am with you 100% Tony. I mean since we have so many "elite" hackers I'm sure they could back track the photos to the original source, and find out where the pictures came from originally. Telling which camera they were taken on is nothing major, hell I use 3 digital cameras myself, samsung 2.1, the kodak 5.1, and I have a clever cam that I haven't used in ages but still have at my disposal. Anyways I hope you can turn some beautiful boas and it I could be wrong in this asumption but it looks like you do deal in the US as well? If that's so someday I'd like to possibly get something from you in the future when I learn more about boas myself. However I know as well as you do you don't have to prove anything to anyone but a picture of your cameras would be a stfu statement to your accusers.

Either way they're beautiful pics yours or not but I see no reason you'd have to lie. Good luck on your current and future products and keep the pics coming weither people think they are yours or not. Again I'd also like to see anyone find the source of origin to these photos and find the original photographer or website they are on. Then you might have some hard evidence but I know that none of the hackers I know were able to trace a source

HeatherRose · 02-05-05, 07:23 PM

Quote:

If a moderator wishes to close this thread I am fine with that.

I see no reason to close this thread. I see no one attempting to embarrass or discredit you, only people voicing their concerns.

That's all I'm going to say, lest I be accused of 'not setting an example' and being generally naughty...

Scales Zoo · 02-05-05, 09:28 PM

Super secret experimental breeding project, so you can't take a picture. I'm guessing you also can't take me in front of a judge and show that you do have the snakes then either. Conveinient.

After reading your post, I retract my above statement where I thought you might actually have the snow boa now in your posessoin.

Now, I beleive, if you actually took the picture, you took a picture of another snow boa - cause anyone else on this forum would have taken a more recent picture of the both snakes in question to prove themselves innocent - super experimental top secret breeding project or not.

This will be my last post on the subject, Tony, thanks for letting me know, in my heart, that my first suspcions were correct. I need no further rambling from you, just an apology.

Ryan

Minnow · 02-05-05, 09:46 PM

Tony, I stayed neutral until your reply. This famous quote came to mind after reading your long rebuttal:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

Carol

Minnow · 02-05-05, 11:19 PM

Tony,
As far as I know this is not the pic that was in question. This is the only pic that you might have taken. (unless you use different cameras for each snake) Photosmart for this one. Mavica for that one. Oops, I used the olympus for that snow)
The other pics were the ones that made the questions be asked.
And of course, you are the only one with the answers.
Carol