Really starting to understand... - Page 2

02-01-05, 03:10 PM

Marisa,

I by no means disagree with you. I used to spend more time on other forums, Kingsnake in particular. I stopped spending time there a long time ago, quite possibly before I found this arena. The civility (in general), and the method used by the moderators here are the reason(s) I stay. But, nonetheless flame wars are an annoying waste of time, whether here or elsewhere. I'm sure it is an unavoidable byproduct of the internet, where people can sit at a desk and spout all methods of garbage. But it still sucks.

Jason

JonD · 02-01-05, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by HumphreyBoagart
I'm really starting to understand why some of the big breeders and veterans of this site don't bother posting anymore or trying to help newbies. They ask for help, so you try and help them and they do nothing but disrespect you.
Is this just me or has anyone else noticed this?

This is comming from a small amount of newbies that are too lazy to do anything for themselves. The disrespect is from just always looking for the easy way out and proper husbandry is not as simple as they would like it to be....

and it's like someone telling them to do extra work...

That said, I'm sure the majority of newbies do exactly what they should be doing and that is doing some research and then ask for specifics.

Linds · 02-01-05, 04:40 PM

I think that some people have become tired of giving advice when asked by someone who doesn't know, only to have that person unwilling to take it, and even argue it. Some people stay, but like Hilde mentioned, have learned to adapt. There are loads of reasons though for people not answering as much as they used to, or becoming absent altogether, and it isn't limited to only the veteran herpers on the site. I think it just tends to be more noticed when they go missing, especially since they are a smaller percentage of the community.

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Originally posted by latazyo
everyone should post to try and help, we've all read "veteran" answers before and can write the post as easily as they can

its not their job to reply to every new thread that comes out, it is all of our obligations as members to the site

Not necessarily. It doesn't build much credibility to go around parrotting others advice (aka an 'internet expert'), nor does it give you a leg to stand on in if indeed it turns in to a more in depth discussion, however it doesn't hurt to mention that you have heard it through the grapevine or wherever if that person is truly not getting any responses from people that know first-hand. Many people do not wait though, and instead jump all over a post the second it goes up.

gonesnakee · 02-01-05, 08:20 PM

I'd have to agree with the "flamers" comments etc. Too much petty BS on the go more often then not & lots more interested in their internet image than they are Herps. Petty politics, attitudes & egos are the downfall of any site & its posts. More often than not people post on the defence because so many others love to bash. I try to make a point of staying off here when I'm all PO'ed but with others the old "Misery Loves Company" seems to be the way it is. I find that if you fail to acknowledge the petty BS the less it affects you & those looking for that attention will seek it elsewhere hopefully. Oh & lets all try to "Stay on topic here" LOL Mark

sleddergirl · 02-01-05, 08:43 PM

I have found, in the time I've been here, that when I take the time to read through the proper threads (to see if the questions I have, have already been asked and answered) and then ask.....for the most part everyone has been willing to give their opinions/answers.

I usually only ask if I can't find the answer or if the answers I have found have been conflicting, then I will ask for personal experience. Those of you who have helped me, I greatly appreciate it and I'm sure the time will come again, that I need your input....

For those of you who are "new".....just look around a bit for your answers, before you jump in both feet asking a thousand questions..................just a suggestion.

Artemis · 02-01-05, 09:05 PM

Just reading the initial post made about 4 usernames in particular spring to mind.... and I still to this day wonder if those poor snakes made it. It makes you roll your eyes, and people old and newer do the best they can to help people. It all becomes a question of knowing when to quit.

chas*e · 02-01-05, 10:18 PM

Maybe the newbies should help the Veterans..or so called veterans.

JAdkins2451 · 02-01-05, 11:56 PM

I have read alot where people flame the newbie, I havent been flamed yet and I am a "newbie". But I understand expeianced or not some people ask stupid questions. When all they have to do is go to the search feature. And that can solve there problem, instead of asking a question that may have been posted a day before. Alot of newbies are just takin the easy way out by asking dumb questions. So they kind of deserve to get a negitive responce.

This is just my opinion.

Jamie

HumphreyBoagart · 02-02-05, 12:26 AM

When I posted this thread, I wasn't by any means saying that we shouldn't help one another. Newbie or veteran. I don't care how stupid the question may seem to some of us. There is no such thing as a stupid question, and the asker of the question obviously doesn't know the answer or he/she wouldn't have asked it. It is a very good thing that they ask the questions. I personally don't care if someone agrees or disagrees with my opinions, what gets me is when someone asks for help, and you do you're best to try and help them, and they just disrespect you in return. I don't expect them to do what I say, nor do I expect a thank you. But when someone is trying to help you after they just asked for help, and all you get in return is a bunch of snide comments it starts to make you not want to help anymore.
Also I am not saying that veterans shouldn't help newbies by any means. I was just saying that I am starting to understand why alot of them don't bother anymore. It just really sucks when you are sincerely trying to help someone and their animals out, and it is so unappreciated that you get rude comments back in return as a "thank you".
This doesn't mean that I'm going to stop trying to help as much as I can (I know this will dissapoint some of you, as you don't want my help), but I just think people should show more respect to others that are trying to help you. Especially if you are asking for their help.

Hump.