Serious Questions for you

[varanus69]

your still going to call me a Zero? lets clear this first ... i was only referring to your user name as i am to lazy of typing out the whole zero&stich sorry for the misunderstanding... AS far as the folgers can thing goes at least that person ( assuming your referring to a real post) asked and hopefully changed there practices.
::::the forums are here so newbies come and ask questions, and people complain b/c it is too much righting for them:::: exactly Manitoban Herps

[Linds]

Having been a mod since the beginning, I've always been subjected to not only the problems that may arise on the public forums, but also the crap that many members like to fling at us behind the scenes. It is a thankless job, and we *donate* countless hours of our time trying to make this place a community that everyone can enjoy, and receive a hard time for it all. I've become quite frustrated from time to time, and at times, overwhelmed to the point where I've had to take a few days off. I've never considered leaving however, as I can't think of a better place I would rather be When you have a lot of people, of course they don't all get along, but I still think this is the best overall reptile community going.

Originally posted by Manitoban Herps
I feel thatquite a few memebers here "attack" others, i was on kingsnakee for3 years wiothout a problme, I come here and BAM..problems galore.

Actually the constant, for lack of a better term, 'pissing matches' that go on over there were what inspired Jeff to form this site, and what initially brought about many of our members.

Originally posted by zero&stich
My opinion and I will always stand behind it 100% is, if new herpers just buy a $20 us book and read it from cover to cover, then they would be far more educated then what a few people opinions measure up to...

...I mean everyone will have a different answer and how many people, raising hands, have heard this question. "I keep getting different answersm which is correct?" If they had gone out and bought a book they would have built a foundation and would, my guess, would have been able to judge what was the more accurate information giving.

I whole-heartedly disagree with that statement. While everyone should read as many articles and books as they can in an effort to learn, there is absolutely no reason that they shouldn't also look for clarification on here. Books are simply one person's opinion, and can be full of all sorts of inaccuracies. I have a book here that claims iguanas need to eat gravel to digest their food, and the last time I picked up a book on monitors it claimed you needed to keep them with a gradient of 80-90 degrees. Some of these books should be relabelled 'Ways to kill your pet'. At least on the forums you can get a more diverse response, with people discussin and debating, in order to come to a better conclusion yourself.

[zero&stich]

your still going to call me a Zero? lets clear this first ... i was only referring to your user name as i am to lazy of typing out the whole zero&stich sorry for the misunderstanding... .

Oups. I misunderstood that. Sorry.

AS far as the folgers can thing goes at least that person ( assuming your referring to a real post) asked and hopefully changed there practices

It was a real post, it's somewhere in my posting log but I am too lazy as well to find it, lol.

[CB Shwa]

I love this site I wish there was a verson for parrot people.
Chris

[mykee]

I agree with some of you regarding the "seasoned" or "experienced" users jumping on the "Newbies" for asking questions that are either common sense or should be base knowledge that one has acquired BEFORE purchasing the animal. I've been known to lose my temper with the same, CONSTANT, relatively stoopid questions that many newbies ask. When you hear the same question 400 times, and you try your best to answer a question similar to "I just bought my very first car today and had it delivered to my house. I paid $45,000 and I just love it. It's red. It's sitting in my driveway. My question is this: how do I use the key-thingy and does my car need gas or something to work?"
Also, for anyone that thinks that ANY other Forum and their Mods are easier and more understanding than those on this site, they should lay of the Christmas crack. I'm not a big fan of a few of the Mods here, but cumulatively, they do a wonderful job and they need to know that.

[marisa]

That's my whole thing too Mykee. Sometimes I wonder if our users have ever spent real TIME on other forums, some are HORRIBLE!

Literally! Mods removing posts, deleting posts, with no warning or explanation. Mods calling names, verbally attacking people and forcing everyone to accept they are God or simply not use the forum and that's just for starters!

We have some problems with attitude, a couple problems here and there with certain users, maybe even disagreements with mods and users, but in the end this forum has come closer to it's goal of a good place to be talking about reptiles than almost any other I can think of. And not everyone can always be happy.

Marisa

[Manitoban Herps]

It's not the same person all the time so there is no need to name names. The problem is people always assume things here, and they make big deals about nothing. When I say "attack" I mean that they assume things in a perons post and starts argueing with the person and asking mods to bann him and such.

[marisa]

No one has been asking us to ban anyone.

If it's such a big problem to the point you had to start a whole thread about it, one would think you could give the moderation team at least ONE name to hel solve the problem for you. If you give us nothing but "well some people are mean" then there is really nothing we can do.

As Linds said "pissing matches" can happen....to me these are not attacks, just differances in opinion. Some of the best learning comes from arguements on forums when people have a chance to really hash out the whys and ifs of certain topics.

Some people can't handle this and see it as "attacking" or this or that. It's simply the way of the internet. If it was all cookies and smiles then it would be a very boring place as we would all agree all the time.

Again, the site is running great but at the same time small problems will always come up. We try to smooth these out but everyone will never all be happy. Just the way it is.

Marisa

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by mykee
I'm not a big fan of a few of the Mods here, but cumulatively, they do a wonderful job and they need to know that.

Am I in that elite group?? LOL..

-Matt

[chas*e]

I am a member of many reptile and animal forums..that way if I get annoyed at the moderaters thinking they are politically correct morality/value judges, I just move on for a few days/weeks/months until I forget why I was annoyed...not that I would be missed, ....lol

[Manitoban Herps]

Perrty much this is a good forums, but it has it's days

[sneaky_boa]

I just prefer unmoderated sites, and have found many that I am extremely happy with. I'm a big believer in free speach (in all its forms) and don't see the need for ADULTS to be moderated at all. This site has some fantastic info and care sheets.....but many times I have seen the mods become 'godly" and chose sides (I thought they were supposed to be unbiased in the first place???) And therein lies the problem with mods, they're human and will err and this leads to more problems than necessary. Like Chas*e said...there are many other sites, and I usually leave when things are getting too finicky; and come back when I need some info.

Guess I view places like this as a resource rather than a social life.

[varanus69]

maybe thats my problem as i view it as equally social life and resource site. I know if you want to be in the business you have to have contacts, reputation, friends in the right places and have your name be recognised. I am working with some investment boas and planning to add some other higher end boas to the collection soon and if i want to sell snakes pushing $5000 us each people better know who i am cuz people will buy from a well known guy before some nobody. Thats why i'm always here and making friends and contacts.. even with the pissing matches it is still worth it all just to be a part of a site that is canadain based, rather than playing second fiddle to the americans.

[spidergecko]

Originally posted by sneaky_boa
I ... don't see the need for ADULTS to be moderated at all.

I believe this entirely. Unmoderated sites tend to work themselves out when conflict arises. People either get bored of a discussion/argument and it dies, or the offending person just leaves. I don't think you get the same kind of "community feeling" on unmoderated boards, though.

...but many times I have seen the mods become 'godly" and chose sides (I thought they were supposed to be unbiased in the first place???)

I have seen this, too. I also find that it is harder for a new person to join the community since advice only seems to be accepted from "experts" on the board. Others seem to be ignored. But as you said, you can just leave for a while when things get out of hand.
I'm a gecko person myself, so obviously this board isn't the best for me but the general herp info is good, especially since I can relate to the Canadian aspect. But I use a different gecko board for most of my info.

[varanus69]

Originally posted by sneaky_boa
I'm a big believer in free speach (in all its forms) and don't see the need for ADULTS to be moderated at all.

That would be all fine and dandy but lets not forget there are many young people here that are 12,13,14 years old and they don't need to be reading unappropraite writings ( and yes i know they probably say worse to there friends in the school yards but...................)point is we are not all adults here and we could make the same point with alternate words. The mods here are fair and do a good job in almost all cases. GOOD JOB GUYS:::::::::::: oh and just so you don't think i'm some old fuddy duddy i swear more than most people and am always getting in trouble from my wife for it.. ok I'll shut up now before i get banned for talkin to much lol.