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Old 05-30-04, 08:27 PM   #16
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Rats eat just about anything, and their diet can vary, whether you are giving a rat block, or cheap dog food (do they even have meat in the rat blocks?) they will probably do fine on either one.
Rats (and mice) are very adaptable animals. This is why they are so populated and prolific in the wild, and viewed as such a pest and hard to get rid of. They are scavengers and can populate various different areas with less than ideal conditions, unlike many other animals that do require certain food sources and environments to survive.

With pet rats (I don't breed feeders) I personally use rodent chow as a staple for convenience, adding in extra foods here and there for any nutritional benefit, variety, and interest. Rats would not usually be eating the same thing always in the wild, just whatever they find really, however they will still do fine on the lab diets as they are nutritionally complete (just boring).
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Old 05-30-04, 09:05 PM   #17
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Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with feeding rats a special rat diet. All I'm saying is that for two years I've great success feeding vegtable based protein dog food to my rats and in turn great success raising my snakes on those rats. All I'ma saying is that cheap dog food made with vegtables works so why not save some money and use it. And I'm not just talking about surving on it I'm talking about thriving on it. There is a list of reasons why I wouldn't use cat food and I'm sure you know them your self.
As for what I feed Louie, I hope you would give enough credit to realize he and my golden get premium dog food, nothing I would ever feed to rats that's for sure! lol
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Old 05-30-04, 10:45 PM   #18
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Mazuri is made by Purina, for those that are unsure. Like everything else its been abbreviated to PMI (purina mills internation)
I've always used the Purina lab chows.. It was called "checkers" many years ago, and then there was 5015, which I used for years, and then we noticed Americans were using Mazuri 6F, which was cheaper and a breeder friend of mine asked Ren if he could bring some in...and for years now, Ren has been selling Mazuri.

Brian, Mazuri 6F is only 20bucks a bag at Rens.
If it were 50, I'd probably not be using it.
All the various PMI feeds are located here on
Rens website for anyone that wants to dig into the ingredients of all the various types.
Its actually pretty mind blowing all the feeds that PMI makes... They have tortoise chow, flamingo chow,Moose and Zebra chow even shark chow... I was in there today, and a woman was buying "Mini pig chow" Its wild, all the Mazuri chows!
Just click on Mazuri once you're in Rens site
http://www.rensfeed.com/
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Old 05-30-04, 11:06 PM   #19
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yes.. ren's is where i've picked up all my various rat diets..

I thought purina made the "lab diet" and mazuri was just a competitor... i find it odd that PMI would make two products, under different names that are in the same market. thank you for clearing that up. I suppose it makes good business sense for PMI.

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I've been feeding Noname brand "SuperStore" Brand Special dinner and have been having no problems.
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Lisa Just because you have a large rat, dont mean the food you are feeding is superior. animal size is based on genetics not food brand.
I have many extreamly large rats as well and i use mazuri 6f. I chose to use mazuri because it was made for rats by people who actually did reseach on a rats nutritional needs. I am not saying that there is not a dog food brand out there that is better, I am just saying that i personally am not able to read a lable and say which is better. They may all have the same ingredience but that dont make it the same. The recipe(sp)? is what you need.
Genetics are important but so is nutrition. You can have all the best genetics in the world but if the animal is malnurished it will not grow to it's full potentiel. You don't need to know the exact recipe to know whether something contains harmful ingreadients or not and comparing the nutrition chart is also another tool in making an informed decision on what's in the bag. If the ingredients are the same then it's a good chance nutrition will be similar.

I'm not saying that mazuri is any worse then dogfood, I'm saying that the dog food I use provides good nutrition for my rats at a price better then what mazuri costs from ren's feeds... I pay $0.69 per kilo where a 50 pound bag of mazuri is $0.88 a kilo.

The convience of picking up the food @ the local grocery store instead of driving to ren's feed is also a bonus. I inquired into the price of mazuri/purina lab blocks around here and the cheapest I could find them for around here was $30 a bag.
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I would definately use a rat food that had a responsible price.
I've actually decided to drop the rodent production and begin purchasing from some lucky rodent breeder in the ottawa area.
The time spent raising the rodents takes away from the snakes.
The cost of raising rodents and buying bulk feeders will be comparitive when the time factor is added to the equation. I've been refered to a rodent breeder that can fill my needs and i think i will go that route. I will probably keep one or two colonies around but no more than that.
Is Mazuri 6F availible in the Ottawa area?

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Old 05-31-04, 01:54 PM   #23
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Just because a rat is big, does not mean it is eating nutritious food. I'm larger than the average guy, which by your logic would mena I'm healthier? Far from eat, I eat crap 75% of the time. LEt me put it this way and leave it at that. I feed my rats Mazuri 6F as I'm sure all of you are aware, as I chime in on EVERY discussion about rat food. If you were to two rats; one of mine, fed Mazuri and a pet store rat. Eyeball the size at a weanling. My weanling (the identical size of a pet store weanling) will weigh 30-50% MORE than that pet store rat at the same size.
Trevor; I hope you didn't think that I was fingering you as one of those "grocery-store dog food feeders". I'm pretty sure that you feed your two dogs premium food, and I apologize if you felt pointed-out.
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(Looks at the previous posts on this thread)
Hmmmm.... should I get involved in this or not.... Decisions... decisions....
(thinks a few moments then shakes her head)
I think .... not! LOL!
It's interesting to see what people feed their animals... and the reasons why. I'm happy with the diet I chose to feed mine.
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