Satanic Leaf Geckos - Page 2

spidergecko · 05-05-04, 08:10 PM

Apparently, in the US, Strophurus geckos are the new fad, not Uroplatus.

little_dragon_ · 05-05-04, 09:08 PM

I have never seen those before....The fact that people take Gecko's out of the wild from an ever shrinking population in madagascar really makes me upset. Why wouldn't you want to see any of the gecko species become common and Cb, so the ones in the wild remain untouched.

sara · 05-06-04, 11:16 AM

I don't think anyone is saying that they wouldn't like to see more cb uros, but they will never be common because the reality is they aren't the best candidates for captivity. They are so specialized that I don't think the average reptile enthusiast would have the means, interest, tenacity and knowledge needed to keep them thriving long-term.
I guess you could compare the level of difficulty of leo v.s. phantasticus care to african cichlids v.s. discus.

little_dragon_ · 05-06-04, 11:29 AM

That's true......This is also an ethical situation. If I buy wild caught ones in an attemp to produce cb offspring. Am I making the right choice or contributing to the WC trade

JeffT · 05-06-04, 04:26 PM

i dont think there is anything wrong with buying WC or een ordering them in, if its for yourself to breed them. But its when you mass order them and then sell them to various groups of people is when you are only contributing to WC animals.

little_dragon_ · 05-06-04, 04:51 PM

how much would a wc pair be

sara · 05-06-04, 05:11 PM

sometimes a lot more than a cb pair after the vet bills...

little_dragon_ · 05-06-04, 05:25 PM

If I bought a pair that had parasites...could they be spread over to my other herps?

spidergecko · 05-09-04, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by little_dragon_
If I bought a pair that had parasites...could they be spread over to my other herps?

MOST definitiely! You have to be very very careful if your geckos have parasites. Right now I am dealing with parasites in one pair of uroplatus I have. They are otherwise healthy but the regimen for containment and decontamination is pretty strict. These geckos are LTC and have 3 parasites that have been identified:
1) Eimeria spp. (coccidia)
2) Trichomonas
3) Entamoeba

One of these is common, one can be deadly to herps, and one is dangerous to herps and people (so I'm not allowed to lick the geckos).

Sara mentioned vet bills. I promise you, the vet bills to deal with these parasites have doubled the cost of the gecko pair and by the time I am done, the cost will be tripled. Off the top, you need to have a fecal done every two weeks until you get three negatives in a row. For me, fecals cost ~$30 so that is a minimum of $90 already added to the cost of the cheaper WC geckos.

If you really want to buy a pair of uroplatus, you really really should buy a CB pair. They cost quite a bit more than WC or LTC but they will be healthy animals that probably won't need debugging and chances are, a breeder will have chosen the nicest geckos to breed and s/he will have beautiful geckos to sell you. With WC or LTC you never know what you're gonna get. If you buy WC you might luck out and get a really nice gecko but most certainly the dealer selling you the WC uroplatus will have taken the best ones for him/herself.

attchoum · 05-14-04, 10:35 PM

i just buy 3 uroplatus sikorae... it's just amazin hos interessent they are to look and observe... they are very beautiful lizard, it's to bad that they are so rare... madagascar are in really difficult situation.... it's sad
attchoum

(sorry for my english... not my language)