Trip to Indonesia - Page 2

AlexPan · 03-26-04, 04:11 PM

This can go on and on, but i already stated my opinion, and the last thing i want to add is all snakes where ever they were born have to start from nothing and go on from there. I will offer them as much experience as i can, and the rest is up to them. Even if some will die in the wild, still most will survive, there for it would be successful. In the wild like 1 out of 50 snakes becomes an adult, if i can make it even 3 of 50 its a great success. Think about it, some one might have acsedently killed an adult snake there for destroyed a small part of ecosystem, i for one want to restore the ecosystem.

Bighead · 03-26-04, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by marisa
Bighead I am sorry your thread got hijacked

No worries. I wasn't offended by anyone here. By the way, There are plenty of captive bred animals in Indonesia. I really wouldn't need to catch anything wild, although I would love to explore and observe some of the wild herps. This is one place I will definitely be visiting. It's supposed to be one of the most beautiful reptile zoos in the world.

The Breeder's site:
http://www.herpafauna.com/

The Park Site:
http://www.herpafauna.com/park/park.html

beth wallbank · 03-26-04, 10:39 PM

why the heck would you want to breed a dime a dozen animal to begin with, that is readily available in captivity, accept the fact that most will die with your acceptance in your 'room' idea, then assume you would just be able to release the remaining? First of all, in the states where kings are found it is ILLEGAL to release a captive bred animal into the wild. Secondly, your released CB babies could potentially harm the wild animals if they brought with them a diease, and wipe out the wild populations that are thriving there now.
Why not focus your energies on wanting to breed a more endangered animal, and work on raising up stock so that the herping community could have a rarer species in their collection? There are many rare species out there for you to work with instead of wasting your time on a project that will never have any meaning to it what so ever.
A few months ago, you came on here and wanted us to all teach you how to milk venom from snakes, so you could bottle and sell it. Now you want to breed a readily available animal and chance destroying their natural habitats with releasing potentially life threatening diseases with them. You seem to have the drive to want to work on a herp related project, I think you need to think of realistic goals and ideas or no one will take you very seriously.
Just my two cents.

Bighead · 03-27-04, 04:40 AM

You tell him, Beth.

03-27-04, 06:34 AM

Beth,

No one could have said it better. Thank You!!

lolaophidia · 03-27-04, 02:39 PM

Beth, good post. I don't think I could have said it as kindly... The problem is not necessarily the lack of snakes in the wild, as Beth said.

Alex, if you are really concerned for the welfare of the California Kingsnake and other snakes in California- protecting the habitat where they currently live is one of the best things you can do. Educating people about the importance of maintaining wild habitats and the importance of a diverse ecosystem that contains stable populations of native species is crucial. There are 4 endangered species of snakes from what I've read in California and they are not threatened because they can't breed or even because of an overwhelming number of predators or lack of food. The lack of habitat due to human development is endangering their welfare. It's pointless to introduce animals into an already strained situation. Keep your snakes, take the best care of them in captivity that you can. Learn about the environment they naturally inhabit and protect it!

AlexPan · 03-28-04, 04:10 PM

Well i do agree with you guys about breeding the more endangered species, and protecting their environments, But i have no $$ that is needed to afford it. I am doing what i can and if any one wish to join up the forces with me they are welcome.

AlexPan · 03-28-04, 04:14 PM

O and Beth_Wallbank, i have being studying how to milk hots and how to handle them, (no thanks to most UNHELPFULL and discouraging people in that other conversation), and have arranged and am getting my first hot in 2 month

!

Matt_K · 03-28-04, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by AlexPan
Matt_K, so what you saying is that its alright to take wild animals to keep as pets?!
And yes the first snakes were captured but that had to be done in order to start a captive bred colony BUT, now people just catch them to not have to pay for them, but those snakes are already available in captivity.

I think about 90% of people that collect wild specimens do it for educational purposes.. I think there are very few people that collect animals to be kept as pets these days.. Most will capture them, study them and let them go.. And no, i am not saying that it is okay to take animals out of their natural habitat, however, if someone hadn't years back, you wouldn't have your pet snakes now, would you??? And if those survived, i think it's quite obvious that WC snakes kept in captivity are not prone to death..

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O and Beth_Wallbank, i have being studying how to milk hots and how to handle them, (no thanks to most UNHELPFULL and discouraging people in that other conversation), and have arranged and am getting my first hot in 2 month

Haven't you only owned snakes for like.. 4 months?? And you're already getting a hot, good luck with that, and im not looking forward to the replies your threads will get..

Crazycorn · 03-28-04, 04:59 PM

My opinion is that AlexPan is a troll looking for a good time. Ignore his or her or it's posts.

Removed_2815 · 03-28-04, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by AlexPan
you want to catch some herpes and bring them to your house?

Oh gosh! This literally made me laugh out loud, I am sorry but it's funny how the inadvertant addition of an "e" can make this the funniest thing I've read today.....

Alex, your heart is certainly in the right place (your wanting to "help" the animals) but the logistics just don't work. And you are very misinformed about a lot of things pertaining to your endeavour. Everything has already been eloquently said by the other members so I won't repeat, but, bottom line, this is a bad idea. There's no use introducing animals to a population that (as far as I know) is still thriving, in fact, according to this site, California Kingsnakes are not even on the Special Concern list (just like there's no use in setting up a captive breed-and-release program for pigeons in downtown TO neither

). Only bad things can come from this, the introduction of novel genes isn't always a good thing. I have a feeling this is all moot anyway, I am sure there are laws preventing this.
Cheers,
Ryan

Matt_K · 03-28-04, 06:39 PM

So you're saying i should put an end to my Pigeon Breeding Project??? :/

Will · 04-04-04, 11:36 PM

You failed to state the most important thing, without which this whole "plan" is of no use:

What is the POINT to all of this...? What goals to you hope to achieve and why do you feel these actions are nessesary...? What do you hope to achieve...?

How 'bout we start from there...

And that herpes thing IS classic...

Vanan · 04-05-04, 12:46 PM

Good eye Ryan! LOL! Never would have caught that myself!

AlexPan · 04-05-04, 01:09 PM

Will, i do that cause i enjoy helping nature, and don't no body worry i'm not gona do it any time soon, i still need to get some things done. I'm as concern as every one als, probably even more concern then most people here, so don't think i'm gona go out and do something with out knowing everything. What i hope to achieve in the future is, reproduction colonys of endangered species, and to pare up with some company that preserves parks so we together will hopefully succeed in breeding endangered species, so the future generations can enjoy the nature too.