Cost for a hog isle boa?

[NiagaraReptiles]

I do see your point, but I don't agree with the analogy. Mammals and reptiles are very different metabolically.

I don't know if there would be any way to tell purity or not based on appearance and size.........personally, I buy what I like I might have a more strict opinion if they were actually two different species I guess........

Your final statement sums it up well and I agree fully

I hope I didn't offend you Trevor, I was just offering my opinion

JonK

[djc3674]

What is a hypo hog?

This is a hypo hog. I think they are beautiful!!!!

http://pmherps.com/sub/hypohog.html

[BoidKeeper]

I hope I didn't offend you Trevor, I was just offering my opinion

Oh please! Just because two people don't always agree doesn't mean the other one will be offended. Frankly, I think that's offencive! lol
Now take Jeff and Invictus, now there's two guys that never agree on anything, they never get offended. We need more members that are easy going and let other people have their opinions even if, like in this case they are wrong. hee hee
Cheers,
Trevor

[NiagaraReptiles]

hahaha, nice.........

I do tend to tread lightly on forums as I have had many experiences where statements have been taken completely out of context and such. Good to know I don't have to worry about that with you

JonK

[BoidKeeper]

You take that back!

[Linds]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
All the hogs that were imported in the 70's were small. It's only since people started crossing them with colombians that 6'+ hogs have been produced.

Where are you getting this information from? Unfortunately when everything was wiped out on my computer a few months ago I lost all my bookmarks, but I know several of them (breeders with pure stock that could be traced or that they imported themselves) backed up what Jaremy explained in his post.

Originally posted by JDouglas

She is around 6ft an is still growing. I have seen many posts here and on other forums that say "pure" Hog Island boas don't get over six feet long but many females do and I can prove it.

Mark Wendling was one of the first people to breed Hog Island boas and started over a decade ago. I first met him at a show seven years ago. He had wild caught adults from Bob Sears and later purchased a few from Tracey Barker. One of his wild caught Sear's females was over 7ft and would drop litters of 40+ babies. I was able to see all of these Hogs when I visited Mark's house on many occasions. His large WC female is the mother of my 6ft Hog. One of her siblings that was born a few years earlier is owned by Dr. Shawn Lockhart and is over 7 ft. Mark sold "pure" Hogs for many years and much of the Hog Island boa population in the US originated from him, especially in the midwest. At the last show in Des Moines, IA there were three tables selling Hog babies that were all grand-kids to his WC adults. Chances are that if you bought a Hog in the Midwest it originated from his adults. A few years ago Mark sold all of his animals. His Sears line Hogs were sold to the "Boaphile" Jeff Ronnie, and his Hogs from Tracey Barker went to John Meltzer who is also in MN. My guess is that the majority of Hogs are smaller but a few WC Hogs were larger and are responsible for many of the larger Hogs we see today. So the next time you see a large hog don't instantly think it is "unpure" because you may be wrong.

[BoidKeeper]

Where are you getting this information from?

Vin Russo.
I recently acquired a pair of what I have reason to belive are WC Hogs. I can't wait to see how big they get. Hopefully I won't be eating my words.
Cheers,
Trevor

[hip]

Trev I hate to burst your bubble ..................... But Hog's haven't been seen on the Island since the mid to late 80's (many people have been there looking for a wild population.) I am 99.99% sure your very nice Hog's are captive born from a few generations of captive born lineage. Makes keeping the lines pure all that more important dont you think?


Hip

[BoidKeeper]

Well sorry hip but thoes 10 San Andres Boas that Boa Mania bought two years ago....if they were infact imports, they were imported Hogs, not San Andres. No hogs have been seen on the main Island since the 80's but that's not to say that there aren't any left on the smaller suronding islands. I have it on good authority that they are imports and on good authority that they are hogs, not San Andres.
Cheers,
Trevor

[BoidKeeper]

Hip,
Remeber this pic from last year? Mike from boa mania posted it to show the difference between a Hog Island Boa and a San Andres boa.

Well I have the "San Andre" boa in that pic, it is in fact a hog. A very nice a hog, but a hog just the same. Some Colombians are nicer then others, they are variable, you of all people know that. Well hogs are also variable.
Boa Mania (Mike) told us that Ben Seigle imported 33 San Andres boas from the island and sold 10 to him. That's all fine and good they are imported boas but they are imported Hogs not San Andres. I've consulted with Vin Russo recent author of the reptiles magazine article entitled "mini boas" and he told me he was aware of the snakes before Boa mania got them. He also told me that he believes they are hogs.
They eyes on these boas is larger then that of my other hogs. When I asked Vin about this he told me that the original hogs also had large eyes but through years of selective breeding they have been bred out just like most of the speckling.
So, now you know why I believe I have a pair of WC, unrelated to almost any other (except for the other 10 in Canada) hogs in the country.
Cheers,
Trevor

[ortega]

i bought one at the reptile show for 270.00$ in november.

[BoidKeeper]

$270 in Canada, that's a good price!
Cheers,
Trevor