Killing rodents? - Page 2

Wizwise2000 · 03-10-04, 01:21 AM

What's a remote? And if it's done outside it's totally safe for us?

Thanks
Shane

sapphire_moon · 03-10-04, 07:10 AM

Yes, it's totally safe if you don't inhale, lol.

This is a remote

http://www.paintball-discounters.co...-16104222054.e5

For those of you who said something about breaking their necks. Someone said that when they were new to the hobby it was quickest and most humane to learn to break their necks.

The key word there is LEARN. If you don't do it right, all you are doing is putting the animal through some pretty bad pain.

M_surinamensis · 03-10-04, 12:50 PM

Sapphire, I hope to hell that wasn't some kind of attempt at critisizing my personal (Or Gregg's) experience and knowledge.

Breaking the neck of a rodent quickly and cleanly is really a very simple action. All it takes to learn how to do so is watching someone else do it once... The only way to mess up and leave the animal alive and in pain is to approach it squeamishly and fail to complete the required motion (there are a couple of equally quick methods).

The general point of my post being... Why screw around with CO2 chambers when there exists an equally humane, even quicker and FREE option for prekilling rodents prior to feeding or freezing?

Respect for living organisms is great... The modern crusade for "Animal Rights" can be taken way too far by otherwise seemingly well intentioned individuals who are simply ignorant of basic biology. If using a CO2 chamber makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside or somehow removes any residual guilt for ending one animal's life to prolong the life of another... then use it I guess. Just don't promulgate it as the only humane way of approaching the situation... doing so leaves everyone two steps away from having pet ownership banned right along with medical research and eating hamburgers.

Incidentally... it's just as easy to fail to properly euthanize a rodent using CO2 as it is when breaking the neck. If the CO2 is administered too quickly the animal panics... too slowly and it might not be dead when you remove it... Brain damaged but not dead. If the point of your post was to legitimately point out that one must take a bit of care and ensure they are competent before undertaking ANY form of euthanization, then you really should make certain that you explain the potential flaws and pitfalls in ALL methods.

Of course... I suspect your post was more the result of some kind of perverse morally induced need to proclaim your way as being superior without having any real knowledge of the subject matter or who you were dealing with but that's pure speculation on my part.

crazyboy · 03-10-04, 04:15 PM

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There's a great idea, put lead shot into the food items for your snakes.... so either you give your snake food poisoning or you have to dig out a piece of lead from the rat - sounds like fun.
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lol.. i was just joking. i would definelty go with the co2.

Gregg M · 03-10-04, 04:51 PM

Seamus,
There are not too many of us old school herpers around......LOL...... What some of these new school herper have to understand is that some of the "older" methods are the best methods....... I agree that hesitation will indeed make an animal suffer sometimes but as stated, if you see it done one time, you know how to do it....... I do it with no guilt because I know that this rat or mouse is being killed to keep another alive...... I do not feel good about killing them but my snakes need to eat........ Besides, what is the differance if you put it in a gas chamber or break its neck????? You are still killing it......... Anyway, dont knock our way of doing it........ You get the same result but our way is quicker......

Gregg M · 03-10-04, 05:01 PM

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i remember reading in books that the easiest way to kill rodents was to insert a needle into the spinal column. but because we can now humanely gas them more humanely i think that any other method is inhumane. greg maxwell states in his chondro book that he kills his feeders by starving them of oxygen. not very nice is it? big time breeder, small time humitarian

What do you think gassing them does????? It takes their oxygen away......... And sticking a needle in the spine will not always cause it to die....... All this other stuff is just a waste of time........ You can break its neck in 1.3 seconds flat....... Do not believe everything you read......

Wizwise2000 · 03-10-04, 06:39 PM

Is there a site that shows how to break their necks?

Thanks
Shane

sapphire_moon · 03-10-04, 10:26 PM

In no way was I critisizing Greggs knowledge or technique. I respect his opinons to much.
I happen to agree that breaking the necks is a good way to kill the rats, IF you don't mind the hands on approach.

I was just saying, gassing is best if you don't like the hands on approach.

I hate the hands on approach. It's to........hands on! lol.
Now if It's "doing in day" and a rat bites me, thats another story!

But Wizwise said they didn't want a hands on approach because they didn't even like killing a fuzzy hands on. So I figured breaking their necks was the last thing they would want to do.

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Actually my post was about MY opinion on how I want to kill my rats. And I was only putting MY THOUGHTS out there for Wizwise to consider, Along with Greggs thoughts, and yours as well.

Killing is killing, whether you whack, break their necks, gass, or just use some morbid way of killing the rat like suffocation (as someone on another post put) in saran rap in water or something like that.

Linds · 03-10-04, 11:36 PM

My advice is condition yourself to the idea as best you can. In the beginning it can be difficult to bring yourself to kill them, but with time and discipline you get yourself used to it. If you really cannot handle hands-on, then the only other "humane" method is co2. I personally wack or snap necks of older rodents, I pinch the brains back in to the bodies of the pinkies. "Humane" and doesn't cost a penny

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greg maxwell states in his chondro book that he kills his feeders by starving them of oxygen. not very nice is it?

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What do you think gassing them does????? It takes their oxygen away.........

All depends on the method of oxygen deprivation whether or not it is "nice". Gassing (done correctly) is painless - the animal should just become dizzy, lose consciousness, then die. Drowning on the other hand, that is one of the worst ways to go. It may take minutes and the animal is in full panic the entire time (you know what I am talking about if you've ever been at the bottom of a pool and run out of air... and think how long those few seconds to the top seemed?).

Gregg M · 03-11-04, 09:25 AM

WizWise,
I do not believe there is a site that shows you how to kill a rat....... Well not with pics anyway....... I think that would give these animal activist ammo for their silly little cause to shut down the pet trade........As stated by Sapphire Moon, gassing would be the best if you do not want the hands on approach......... Like I said, I love all animals, furry, feathered, and scaled And do not think the other bad methods like drowning or suffocation, or pellet gun or a needle in the spine or freezing should never be an option........ If gassing is done right, is a good method........ For me the best method is breaking the neck...... Another thing to consider is that freezing rodents can have an impact on its nutritional value....... Freezing will break down some protines that are very important to maintain good health in your reptiles....... Fresh killed is allways the best for your snakes....... That is another reason why breaking the neck is a good option for me.........

Jayson · 03-11-04, 10:00 AM

Gasing is the same as depriving the animal from oxygen. If you put an animal in a air tight room, it slowly runs out of oxygen and gets drowsy and passes out. All the gas does is speeds it up by actually eating up the oxygen that is already in the blood stream.

If you hold your breath long enough you dont feel any pain however you do panic untill you are unconcious, and at that point if you do not start getting oxygen again then your body start to shut down one organ at a time leaving your brain last to die.

If you are in a air tight room you take away some of the panic because you are actually still breathing but because with every breath there is less oxygen in the room you get sleepy and pass out. The getting sleepy and passing out is the bodies way of conserving the little bit of oxygen that is left in your blood to prolong live as long as possible.

BurmGuy87 · 03-11-04, 10:02 AM

Very interesting Jayson....thanks

Wizwise2000 · 03-11-04, 11:44 AM

I'll be whacking them for now, I will eventually set up a gas chamber. Thanks for all the responses everyone, greatly appreciated

Thanks
Shane

YummyCdnMale · 03-12-04, 09:17 AM

LOL get a pellet gun?????????<<<<<< hell why don't you just go one step stupider and feed them rat poison.....DUH!!!!!

Vengeance · 03-12-04, 09:46 AM

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Gasing is the same as depriving the animal from oxygen. If you put an animal in a air tight room, it slowly runs out of oxygen and gets drowsy and passes out. All the gas does is speeds it up by actually eating up the oxygen that is already in the blood stream.

Is this an acceptable method? I don't have to kill rodents right now but in the event I ever had too this seems like a inexpensive way of doing it was well as humane. May take a while longer then a gas chamber, but I got time. Any thoughts on this process?