The correct way to freehandle a hot...... Pics..... - Page 2

Gregg M · 03-06-04, 01:03 PM

LOL...... Now ya did it....... Hey Scott, I gotta liven up the room somehow......LOL....... Hey Xain, I guess there is but I am not dealing with anything that hot....... If I was dealing with death stalkers or some species of androctonus I would be much more careful about how I handle them....... Forcepts would be what I would use on species like that........ I pretty much use my fingers to grab the tails when I need to move them....... I am very hands on with my scorps...... I am pretty much immune or used to stings from the species I handle.......... Never had a bad reaction yet....... Just feels like hitting your finger with a hammer for a few minutes....... I try to avoid getting stung by my parabuthus species as much as I can........ They hurt pretty bad....... There are not many species of scorpion that can kill you....... I only have 3 species that have been known to cause human fatalities.......... Arizona barks, Texas barks, and thick tailed spitters......... There usually has to be some other health issue inorder for you to have a really bad reaction to these species.........

Mustangrde1 · 03-06-04, 03:04 PM

Sloan :X

KrokadilyanGuy3 · 03-06-04, 07:37 PM

Awesome. Never really cared much for arachs, kinda wondered how one would handle them.. Thanks

Crotalus75 · 03-06-04, 08:34 PM

Hey Gregg,

What Parabuthus have you been stung by? I have heard that transvaalicus is the worst. I have only been nailed by Pandinus imperator and Centuroides vittatus. They were both less painful than a bee sting. I am very hands on with most of my scorps as well, but I definitely use forceps with ALL of my Androctonus!

I would say that the most toxic scorpions worldwide would be:

1) Leiurus quinquestriatus
2) Androctonus australis
3) Androctonus bicolor
4) Centruroides gracilis (Central American populations)

Any species from extremely arid regions are usually pretty bad This is probably do to water conservation. More potent toxin = less venom needed = fluid conservation.

Gregg M · 03-07-04, 01:15 AM

Tad,
P. transvaalicus is the worst I have been stung by but not the worst out of all Parabuthus....... Hurts like he!! but normaly wont do any serious damage....... I have been stung quite a few times......

Hamster of Borg · 03-07-04, 04:24 AM

Centruroides gracilis is no worse than vittatus. About the only time you're going to have a real problem is if you have an allergic reaction. :P

Ham

Gregg M · 03-07-04, 09:33 AM

Actually,
There have been deaths attributed to C. vittatus....... It is actually considered the hottest US scorpion........ The are more potent than C. exilicauda......... C. hentzi and C. gracilis are on the lower toxicity scale of Centruroides....... There is a species of Centruroides that inhabits southern Mexico that is suppoesed to be very hot........ I would have to agree that the death stalker is the hottest scorp around...... I am pretty sure that A. bicolor would not make the top 5........ Another thing we are finding out is that scorpions may not use the same venom in defensive stings as they do in killing prey all the time....... Pretty interesting stuff........

Crotalus75 · 03-07-04, 12:45 PM

C. vittatus varies greatly in toxicity throughout its range. The northern specimens are more like a bee sting. Other more southern populations have been know to be quite a bit more dangerous. The same goes for Centruroides gracilis. The FL populations are not very toxic at all. The Central American form, however, is near the top of the LD50 list.

Crotalus75 · 03-07-04, 01:05 PM

Gregg,

I have seen numerous sources that say that all Parabuthus species are capable of spraying/flicking venom. I have personally never witnessed this with any of mine. Just wondering if you have experienced this with any of your specimens.

Gregg M · 03-07-04, 02:13 PM

I never saw it either Tad and I have alot of P. trans..... Infact I do not know anyone that has....... I think it may be a last resort for them if stings did not make a predator leave it alone........ They are very quick to sting........

cobraman · 03-08-04, 11:03 PM

"Still, I don't understand why you would risk your life (unless it's a snake you're immune to) to freehandle venemous snakes like you do..."

Well you have a good point. I don't understand why race car drivers drive so fast into walls, or why people jump out of a air craft, or why people pet sharks while they dive, or bungie jump, or or for that matter drive in cars. You know how many people die each year in cars? Injections of antivenom can save your life after a snake bite, but not when a drunk crashes into you head-on at 70 mph. Life is full of risks. I would not be at all surprised if you do things that I would not consider doing. I stopped trying to figure people out a long time ago.
Hope this helps ya some.
Blessings
Ray Hunter

TheRedDragon · 03-09-04, 12:12 AM

Very well said Ray.

cobraman · 03-10-04, 12:42 AM

Thank you. My soap box gave out under all my weight

Blessings
Ray

jtpRUGGER · 03-10-04, 05:28 PM

just curious if this is how you handle your giant pigmy, scott...You said she is big...is she as big as this male?? By the way, I don't condone freehandling, with very frew exceptions, including photoshop.

Gregg M · 03-10-04, 05:58 PM

Wow is that one of those horned pigmys???? Can you breed it to one of my femals so I can get some double hets for huge and horned?????? I will give you like 10,000 for stud services......LOL..... You should practice alittle more with your photoshop......LOL...... Not bad though.......