list all the reason for this...... - Page 2

marisa · 02-18-04, 03:43 PM

"go off their food and stay off till you either correct your husbandry or they starve themselves to death. "

I agree with this mostly... but it brings up a good point. Obviously they won't eat while stressed but at the same time people are constantly thinking they have stressed balls, or "picky" balls when in fact they are SIMPLY fasting naturally. They naturally take a break from eating, and it can be totally normal.

But this leads you to ANOTHER reason not to house together. If you have two snakes together, one stops eating....why? Is it stress? Is it something else? Is it the natural fast? You won't know because you have two snakes together and will have that many more factors to contemplate. (sp) When you house one on one....if one goes off food, husbandry is good, etc then you can safely assume its just gonna fast and eat when it will.

Marisa

morph · 02-18-04, 04:02 PM

Tim I am not bagging on you but people come here too ask ?'s thats a huge part of this site esp. newbies who need those ?'s answered more than anyone. I would rather answer the same ? a 1000 times than have somebody too afraid to post a ? because they think it's stupid or been asked before. If anyone doesn't want to answer the ? then don't but that kinda defeats the site doesn't it.

Scott

Vengeance · 02-18-04, 04:14 PM

Also you should really take into account that the search box isn't exactly the easiest thing to spot. If you don't know where it is on the site and you’re not sure where to look I doubt your going to find it. I mean it's a 1 inch box contained within 3 full pages of other stuff. Maybe if it was much more visible and easier to use there would be no excuse not to use it but currently I see no reason to rag on anyone for not using it because it's so obscure.

*edit*

Just as a side note, I've been reading these forums for a few months now and I just now noticed the search button on the top title bar, I thought the only one that existed was the small box on the main page, either way not the easiest things to pick out.

Tim_Cranwill · 02-18-04, 04:32 PM

Scott I see your point... for sure. I went on my little tangent because it seems to me that this question comes up sooo often and half the time you have to battle with the person to get them to see the light. (may not be the case with “ballpython101”)

"themangler's" remarks just kind of irritated me. The forums ARE all about helping people with their concerns and there ARE two or three sides to every story but with a topic so widely covered and agreed upon, why dispute it? Why give someone conflicting advice when the "right" answer is so obvious.

So, it's not so much the question it’s self, it's more the up hill battle after you give them a list of reasons that bugs me. It’s even more the people who contradict sound advice with plain BAD advice. But I guess everyone’s opinions should be heard…. Mine just might be louder.

I speak out when I feel it's warranted and I am usually more polite but this time I got rubbed the wrong way. Sorry…

The search box could use some improvements for sure. But you're not limited to the search button. You can "browse" the forums, read some care sheets, read a book or two and etc.

BoidKeeper · 02-18-04, 04:36 PM

Ask me a question about the instructions. Don't ask me to read you the instructions. That's all I'm saying.
Trevor

Tim_Cranwill · 02-18-04, 04:39 PM

Again, BANG ON, Trevor.... What I have said in 300 words, you've said better in less than 20.

Slannesh · 02-18-04, 04:42 PM

Perhaps someone, (Maybe even me) should compile a list of Frequently asked questions and answers and then a Moderator can make them a sticky? Easy to find and right at the top of the page where you can't miss them.

I know when I first started on ssnakess.com I spent several days reading through post after post in the areas I was interested in. Even now I usually spend at least an hour on here a day and sometimes several.

I know I don't mind answering newbie questions over and over so long as the person asking really wants to know and doesn't just want you to tell them what they want to hear. I think that's the reason most people get stressed about it.

sapphire_moon · 02-18-04, 05:11 PM

I've noticed the same thing, people who say "they don't mind answering questions over and over" are people who don't have many posts. Not saying thats a bad thing, infact I am sure I said it to when I was first here.

But after you are here a while, it does get a bit annoying when you can scroll down the page a little and see 3 threads that read basicly the same thing "he won't eat, it's been 1wk since..., and my bp went of food, help!" like maybe 3-5 threads apart! And while the search box is not the easiest thing to find, just scroll down the page, all the way and there it is.

It shouldn't have to be an "uphill" battle to get people to take care of their animals. Either you do or you don't. If you do then you have an animal that thrives, and lives a long, healthy happy life. If not you have an animal that slowly dies, probably in pain and sure as hell not happy.

Just give them the information, and if they don't give their animal the proper care then (ONLY IN MY OPINON) killed their own animal with ignorance beacuse they didn't want to take care of it......

Slannesh · 02-18-04, 05:19 PM

I was speaking in general, and no, I don't mind answering the same questions over and over again. I do phone based tech support for a living so I get asked the same 10 questions probably 50 times a day every day for the last 6 years

Post count doesn't mean squat i'm sorry to say, experience and a willingness to help does.

As I said in my last post, coming in fresh to hundreds or thousands of threads is a daunting task and it IS easier to just ask your question then spend hours hunting through thread after thread that sometimes isn't QUITE what you want to ask.

That being said, there are a lot of almost word for word repeat questions. People want easy access to information with the least amount of work, that's human nature. So i'll step up I suppose

If a Moderator approves it i'll start on an FAQ Document for both this and the Leopard Gecko forums as those are the two I most frequent and actually have a bit of knowledge about.

themangler · 02-18-04, 06:21 PM

i have two snakes both in there own house and would not have it any other way i was just getting you guys going and it didn't take much! i agree (only one snake=only one vet bill)i even told my wife this will stir the bees nest up!

Slannesh · 02-18-04, 06:25 PM

themangler: Great, so you give out bad advice to new people asking questions to just amuse yourself? Please do us all a favor and find another way to do it, there are enough problems with general husbandry as it is without people 'helping out' with blatant stupidity.

themangler · 02-18-04, 06:35 PM

never heard so much whinning in my life,go cry to all the zoo's that house 2 snakes together and call steve irwin and tell him to seperate his 2 retics.

BoidKeeper · 02-18-04, 06:49 PM

That will do. Let's not start mud slining.
Trevor

mykee · 02-19-04, 12:42 AM

If you keep your mouth shut, people will only THINK you're stupid, don't open your mouth and prove it.
It seems that the people with nothing to say, say it often and the loudest.

themangler · 02-19-04, 10:51 AM

take your own advice mykee! and zip it ! i guess there is only one way to care for snakes and thats your way and if you do any thing different your stupid (what ever)i still believe two snakes are fine together, and as long as there's a quarintine time before putting them together. That way, if they got sick, it's your husbandry that probably makes them sick, not the other snake. I keep my two seperated because they're burm's. Try feeding 2 of them at 11ft long. But if I had a couple of Ball's or redtails, I'd keep them together, and I've had 2 redtails together before and I know someone when I was kid that had 2 redtails, this was when I was 14 years old, I'm 30 now and this guy still has both these snakes live and still together. So, like I said at the beginning, I believe it's alright to keep two snakes together.