Rant - Chameleon Forum - Page 2

meow_mix450 · 01-20-04, 07:34 PM

zoe has a good point, see this is wut id like to see, no one talking back, i cant see it lol, but if you can then sure.......well it would be nice to have a mod that knows chams, but thats really a bonus, we should be glad that is site is even here, so dank mayb you should stay and forget the people hoo talk back??? just a thought but everyone here is right, ooo i never knew srry about asking about trace, i jsut missed her....and eyespy.....but i guess we wont go there

Meow

dank7oo · 01-20-04, 07:56 PM

Wuntu Menny · 01-20-04, 09:25 PM

I think everyone has brought up valid points, but I have to admit that I'm at the end of my rope. The tone of my responses tends to get more cynical and derogatory the more I bash my head against the wall. (As if you hadn't noticed) Over the years I've found it necessary to migrate to different sites as the situation becomes unbearable. The climate is rapidly becoming just that around here.

Some of you feel that its worth the effort if a small percentage of keepers actually take your advice to heart and act on it. While I certainly don't expect everyone to follow my suggestions to the letter, I would like to see some returns for my time invested. I simply can't justify donating the key strokes to someone that obviously has no intention of making an effort.

As Shane mentioned, those of us with a number of years of successful keeping under our belts have reached that level of experience at great expense. Sharing that accumulated knowledge is an effort to advance the hobby and help others avoid repeating our mistakes. If we can't do that, what's the point of sharing it all?

When the ignorant, obstinate, arrogant individuals start lining up to trash your suggestions or insist they know a short cut, it becomes an exercise in futility. As the number of members grows on this site, so does the peckerbrain ratio. That's to be expected as the hobby certainly has more than it's share. I guess it all comes down to your individual tolerance level. One by one, we'll all reach it eventually.

WM

DragnDrop · 01-20-04, 09:25 PM

As a herper with a few years' experience under my belt, I know the feeling of frustration when you spend hours typing husbandry info, just to have some know-it-all big mouth shoot me down, tell me I'm nuts etc etc. Sometimes I've taken it personally and felt like leaving, but then this little voice asks me ... what if everyone leaves, what happens to the poor critters whose owners need, ask and accept help? There's always going to be a smarty pants, there's always going to be someone who questions even the experts (don't think no one doubted Albert Einstein and ran him ragged with arguments). For what it's worth, if I have an answer, I'll pitch in. If the advice is ignored, I don't take it personally, it's just the way people are.

It's not my place to ask anyone to stay, but if you think it over, are you here to help for the benefit of the chams, or for the status of being an experience keeper? There's no glory to volunteering your help, but it makes you feel good that you at least tried, even if your advice wasn't accepted.

(p.s. I do have cham experience. Got my first trio of Jacksons in 1996, and a pair of Nosy Be Blue Panthers in 1999. I don't post much, since I don't know much about chams in general. The species are so different in care and attitude, that I tend to only pitch in with the ones I know, not general cham care. )

meow_mix450 · 01-20-04, 09:42 PM

dragndrop, we all try our best

and im glad that everyone here understands, its really no ones fauly, if you give advice, they might listen to you and they might not......but i guess the things that get peoples nevres, is when they say no and **** even tho its in there own opinion. I have someone PM me telling me that they have been very rude to them and it made her felt dumb(no names being mentioned)

WM- i bet when you first posted this thread you didnt mean it to be offencive, its hard to tell what the persons saying over the internet i dont blame you....thats why when i think its offencive i say no offence and most of them get my point, but im glad your still here giving advice. Hope things will get back to normal and i bet trace and eyespy will come back

Thanks
Meow

dank7oo · 01-20-04, 09:53 PM

Hey all.

WM - I'm glad we are on the same page here. I myself have been to several sites, trying to find the right mix, and I thought I finally found it here. Hopefully things will get cleaned up a little on the cham forum.

DD - Glad to have you here and moderating (even if you had no experience). I'm sure you'll do great

As for me, I'll continue to hang around for a little bit longer, and give things another chance.

---> something wicked
Max was looking a little dehyrated today, so I sprayed my hand with the mister and he ran over to drink out of my hands. It feels really cool, so give it a try

lol

Jason

sleddergirl · 01-20-04, 10:27 PM

On a lighter note, you guys are what helped me with Chester (and continue to help me). I was clueless when I first considered getting a cham.............I read all the posts here and asked questions when I felt necessary and you all pulled through with help and experience. I think most people who come here, want to either share their experiences or count on others to share theirs..............its a win/win situation that will be lost if all the knowledgable leave....................

Anyway, thanks for all the help you guys have given me. Chester is the healthier cham for it and I am the better keeper for it....

Sue

meow_mix450 · 01-20-04, 10:29 PM

yay, something i like to hear, and i want to thank everyone as well

Meow

Collide · 01-20-04, 10:30 PM

I think that some people read into things, there is no body language tone of voice to let u know what peoples moods are. some times when u type something due to these lacking indicators it may be taken the wrong way, so unless people are blatently putting people down. your shouldent take it personaly. Everyone has there own opinions on things and most of the time its just a preference. I may have planted enclosures Wuntu Menny
may not that dont mean we are going to argue over it. We both will give our sides and the person will make there own desision based on there needs. In some cases they may choose the wrong advice they will learn though. People have there own reasions for leaving and thats it if they leave they are gon if not all good. Its the internet a info source dont take it so seriously.

cheers my 2 cents

B

meow_mix450 · 01-20-04, 10:35 PM

great paragraph, that pretty much wraps wut i said lol

Meow

oiler17 · 01-21-04, 05:54 PM

I think people need to stop being so sensitive about stuff said here. If someone starts making fun of you for something, explain why you're a credible source (I.E. you've had ___ chameleons for ___ years and know how to take care of them). If you make a valid argument, even the morons that try to come in and insult you can't argue back.

I don't know about any specific cases you all are talking about, but I think taking some things with a grain of salt would help.. and sometimes I think there are some misunderstandings too. What's the sense in not even trying to help people? you can post your opinions or ideas and then never read the thread again, but at least you let them know what you'd suggest. Plus, even if you don't notice.. people do notice the people who post a lot and give good advice, so they're probably not going to believe some punk who comes in and tries to tell everyone they're wrong because they've learned to trust the advice of people who try to help everyone out all the time.

but my main thing is that I think people need to stop being so sensitive to remarks made on here.

meow_mix450 · 01-21-04, 09:36 PM

Guys im really really srry but i hahve to get my anger out!, ok no one is going to be named here, i just lost another great person cause of people being idiots!!! now she wont be posting here, plz plz i beg you to stop this, its just hard for me t see many good people being pushed out cause of other peoople that cant be nice, srry thats my rant

Meow

marisa · 01-21-04, 09:44 PM

Stop what?!!?!

Let me tell you guys something, there is NOT ONE PLACE ON THE INTERNET THAT IS IDIOT FREE! I say that in caps because its soo true and important. If you cannot handle the internet morons on one site, then you cannot handle the internet, Period. There is always someone there, on every single website in the world, to make life harder for others, or passing out bad information.

Why does someone challanging advice matter to you? Give your advice, if you know you are right stick to it. I just don't see how someone disagreeing with you, posting bad information, or being "stupid" can make someone leave a forum.

The point of this great chameleon forum in my mind is to get and give information. No one else can interfer with that, unless you let them.

Marisa
P.S. I have learned lots to help my care of my cham on this forum and frankly I think its great. I ignore anyone who posts bad info, post good info and listen/read what others have to say. Simple as that. No need to get emotional or leave. That doesn't help anyone and certaintly doesn't help any chameleons.

Collide · 01-21-04, 09:55 PM

I dont know mabey im blind i dont stray far form the cham section mabey i dont see the negative things. I dont see anyone leaving only seen one. guess im confused....

daver676 · 01-21-04, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by marisa
Stop what?!!?!

Let me tell you guys something, there is NOT ONE PLACE ON THE INTERNET THAT IS IDIOT FREE! I say that in caps because its soo true and important. If you cannot handle the internet morons on one site, then you cannot handle the internet, Period. There is always someone there, on every single website in the world, to make life harder for others, or passing out bad information.

Why does someone challanging advice matter to you? Give your advice, if you know you are right stick to it. I just don't see how someone disagreeing with you, posting bad information, or being "stupid" can make someone leave a forum.

The point of this great chameleon forum in my mind is to get and give information. No one else can interfer with that, unless you let them.

Marisa

I couldn't have put it better myself.