all glass tank super big storage container, help me decide.

[mykee]

Vengeance, I didn't say that balls don't climb, I said that ball pythons are not arboreal. If you go to Africa, I'm fairly sure you're not going to find BP's in trees. With the balls that I have, when they were setup in an aquarium, they all climbed, rather wellalso. It's more a personal choice as to what type of enclosure you provide for your snakes. Good luck with whatever you choose.

[snakegal12345]

My brothers got a 41/2 by 12by12 rubbermaid for his lego it's one of the biggest rubbermaids i've seen.

[tHeGiNo]

say use whatever you like, just know what work is going to be involved. Everyone here is going to tell you to get a Rubbermaid but Glass enclosures work just as well. The screen lid will cause you a problem with keeping humidity. To combat that problem what I did was create a Plexi glass lid with holes drilled at a 45o Angle all the way around the lid to allow for proper ventilation. I've been able to keep my humidity in my 50 gallon glass aquarium at 60% and above without misting. Also people will tell you that Ball's don't climb, but every ball is different. When you get him/her find out what yours likes to do and make it available for him. Mine loves to climb, I have two pieces of wood attached to slate and a vine in-between both sticks and my little guy will go back and forth, up and down those sticks all night. It's great fun to watch him go up the stick across the vine, to turn around on the other stick and come back again.

But it is not about what we like. It is about the snake we are providing housing for, and ITS needs, not ours.

[Vengeance]

That's right it is about the snakes needs, and there is no reason why those needs can't be met in a Glass tank. Just because Rubbermaid’s may be cheaper or easier to setup does not mean that the same things a Rubbermaid can offer cannot be duplicated in a glass tank. When I first posted here about what I wanted to do when it comes to a setup I got slammed because everyone said use a Rubbermaid forget about glass. Well I was able to create a glass enclosure that met the needs of my ball despite what I was told here. My ball is thriving in his enclosure as far as I can tell, it may seem I post allot thinking I'm in the middle of a crisis, but I'm just a little over paranoid. He's gaining weight, eating every 5 - 7 days, active, sheding in one full piece and doing really well I think.

So I was just saying that just because everyone says Rubbermaid is the way to go does not necessarily mean that you can't duplicate those same requirements in a glass tank. Just know that it will be cheaper and easier setting it up in a Rubbermaid and it will be much more work and more expensive to do it in a glass tank. So really at the end of the day as long as the necessary requirements for a ball are met, then it doesn't matter if it's a Rubbermaid or a glass tank.

[mykee]

Vengeance, very well put. I have all but one of my 20+ bp's in rubbermaid/racks sytem, but if you have the time and money to put your snakes in aquariums, and do what needs to be done to ensure proper husbandry, more power to you.

[lilyskip]

lemme tell you though, a forty-gallon aquarium is an unruly mofo, and it's ultra-difficult to move, transport, clean, or otherwise handle. i've got a 55-gallon, and everyday I wish it was a Rubbermaid.

[Linds]

Originally posted by Vengeance
So I was just saying that just because everyone says Rubbermaid is the way to go does not necessarily mean that you can't duplicate those same requirements in a glass tank.

I'm going to have to disagree. There is no way you can duplicate the requirements in terms of ventilation unless you do some serious modifications to the tank. With rubbermaids, you can easily attain cross-ventilation to help prevent mold growth while also minimizing the ventilation to maintain humidity. Unless you hack away at the sides of the tank and install vents, you cannot equal this in an aquarium.

Originally posted by lilyskip
lemme tell you though, a forty-gallon aquarium is an unruly mofo, and it's ultra-difficult to move, transport, clean, or otherwise handle.

Hahaha for sure!

[Vengeance]

Linds

Actually you can maintain a good airflow without having to drill holes in the side of the glass. My method was to cover the entire lid of the cage with a plexi glass lid. Now that by itself is not enough because it will restrict the airflow. But what I did was drill holes in the lid at a 45o angle. It slows the rate of escape of the humidity because the vapor will hit the plexi glass when trying to rise out of the holes. I have yet to have a problem with mold or even a build up of condensation on any of the sides of the enclosure and have still been able to keep it at a steady 60% humidity by just keeping a bowl of water over the hot side of the enclosure.

So I fail to see how this method does not provide the same results as a Rubbermaid does. Sure it may not be a cross ventilation, but the ventilation needs are met without sacrificing on humidity or constant misting.

Lilyskip

See and that's exactly my point, at the end of the day it really comes down to a matter of personal preference. You'd prefer a Rubbermaid because it would be easier to maintain and there's nothing wrong with that. As long as the needs of the Ball are met it doesn't matter what type of enclosure you use.

[mykee]

Word. You nailed it Vengeance, like I said, IF you can attain proper husbandry in your aquarium, then use what you will. It's a matter of personal choice.