New Lampro (Not sure of locale) - Page 2

marisa · 10-22-03, 10:48 PM

Well I definitly agree with that.

I must say it is true that putting names on things can cause problems down the line for sure and when keeping localities really PURE this definitly counts. Because in the end this snake may be a freak of another local, or in fact a Davis king, or a mix.

I guess when breeding this particular king you could just sell them as very dark cal kings to avoid placing any label on them.

Marisa

Invictus · 10-22-03, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by gonesnakee
P.S. Any luck on getting er to eat for you Ken?

Hehehehe.... 2 adult mice down the hatch without so much as an argument! Just a lot of tail rattling. (So much for being a problem feeder eh?) As I suspected Mark, I think this one just prefers freshly whacked mice.

gonesnakee · 10-23-03, 01:04 PM

Like I said Ken, I figured she just needed a new "place" & some time & patience. Glad to hear she co-operated right away for you. Mark

Linds · 10-23-03, 09:43 PM

Congrats on the new addition!

andrea88 · 10-24-03, 05:15 PM

Glad to see she's doing well with you!
(It was a she eh? Thought so......)
Her empty cage looks so lonely....

We are gonna miss her but it looks like you are doing well with her. She was getting neglected with the new baby around and I'm more than happy to see her with someone who can give her some muchly needed attention.
If you have any questions about her at all feel free to pm or email me.

Edited to add: If you do a search on queensnake.com's kingsnake forum for "mendota" or "davis" you can find a bit more info. on them.

snakegal12345 · 10-25-03, 07:24 PM

i like that girl shes pretty

munchy · 11-04-03, 06:00 PM

i came accross these pics

"Adult male "Davis" or Blackbelly phase, Yolo County, courtesy of Rick Staub"

munchy · 11-04-03, 07:01 PM

looks like you may indeed have a "davis/blackbelly" cal king. the one in the pics i posted looks a bit more abberant, but the same colors and such. either way, that snake you have is KILLER. wouldnt mind obtaining one or two myself. get another one and produce some davis local babies

Vanan · 11-04-03, 09:01 PM

Please oh please people! If you got no locality info, don't slap a name to it! Unless andrea88 can clarify that part about why it's supposed to be a locality snake. If they have some lineage info. There is a difference between locale and type.

A Bloody Purist

munchy · 11-04-03, 09:24 PM

i totally agree with you, vanan, that if you are breeding snakes of a certain locality, to make sure you are positive of the locality. we dont want to end up with just one big mix-*** species of cal king and no locale phases in the hobby. i dont think anyone here slapped a name on it. just trying to help invictus identify his new acquisition to prevent the above from happening. that is if he even plans to breed her. regardless, it is a stunning specimen and i find myself drawn to this thread right away every time i log on to ssnakess. now i want one.

anyone here breed the davis or mendota locals?

Vanan · 11-04-03, 09:42 PM

Cool munchy. I do agree that king is pretty similar to the locality one but it's just good ethics not to call something a locality without proof.

Invictus · 11-05-03, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Vanan
Please oh please people! If you got no locality info, don't slap a name to it! Unless andrea88 can clarify that part about why it's supposed to be a locality snake. If they have some lineage info. There is a difference between locale and type.

A Bloody Purist

Ok, Mr. Bloody purist,

Why is it that I have never seen you comment if someone posts about having a Mid-Baja Rosy boa? Or a Suriname Boa? Or a Guyanan Boa? These are all LOCALES, and almost invariably cannot be traced back to the WC specimen. Should we go around telling everyone with a Mexian Rosy or a "Mid-Baja" Rosy that they are guily of bad practices? Or is it just king snakes you are a purist about?

Or could it be that unless this was a pure locale king snake, there is no way it would have the signature black belly and chocolate brown markings that ONLY this locale of cal king snake has? I've been to a million CalKing websites that show all kinds of localities. Odd thing - not one of them except the Mendota have a super shiny black belly. So out of curiosity, do you have any way to DISprove that this is a Davis/Mendota California King snake?

Invictus · 11-05-03, 01:10 PM

Oh, and what about the Asian ratsnakes I also posted in another thread? You said they were definitely Taiwans. Can you trace them back to Taiwan? How do you know they are not Yunnans? By their appearance, that's how you knew. And yet, when I display a king snake that has an appearance common ONLY to one single locale of king snake, you get up in arms. Can you explain this to me?

Emily-Fisher · 11-05-03, 01:25 PM

Oooh, Ken's on FIYAH!

Gorgeous snake you've got there. Good luck with him!! When it comes to kings, I'm a dummy so I can't really pick sides right now so I'm basically just poking my head in to say that you have a beautiful new snake

Nuff said from me!

Vanan · 11-05-03, 01:48 PM

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Ok, Mr. Bloody purist

Oooh, touchy are we.

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Why is it that I have never seen you comment if someone posts about having a Mid-Baja Rosy boa? Or a Suriname Boa? Or a Guyanan Boa? These are all LOCALES, and almost invariably cannot be traced back to the WC specimen. Should we go around telling everyone with a Mexian Rosy or a "Mid-Baja" Rosy that they are guily of bad practices? Or is it just king snakes you are a purist about?

Mostly cos I'm not into boas and don't frequent those forums much. Besides, a locale is more than the country it's found in. And again, I usually leave it to my partner in crime to deal wth boas. But just to add, Mid-Baja rosies are NOT locality rosies. They are consistent of a group. Localities are your Bay of LA's, Anza Borrego's etc. Edcuate yourself.

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Or could it be that unless this was a pure locale king snake, there is no way it would have the signature black belly and chocolate brown markings that ONLY this locale of cal king snake has? I've been to a million CalKing websites that show all kinds of localities. Odd thing - not one of them except the Mendota have a super shiny black belly. So out of curiosity, do you have any way to DISprove that this is a Davis/Mendota California King snake?

The main reason behind my disapproval is that, why in the world would a locality caliking (not even that common in the US) show up in a damn petstore in Edmonton. In other words, why would a breeder who breeds locality kingsnakes sell to a Petstore up in Canada or why would a snake found in California be up here in a petstore? Hence my skepticism. BTW here's another proof as to how other snakes can also have black bellies.

<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/196lucibelly.jpg">

Same snake.
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/196lucibod.jpg">

There are also some Baja California kings who exhibit the same dark coloration. Almost as black as nigrita as babies (belly included).

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Oh, and what about the Asian ratsnakes I also posted in another thread? You said they were definitely Taiwans. Can you trace them back to Taiwan? How do you know they are not Yunnans? By their appearance, that's how you knew. And yet, when I display a king snake that has an appearance common ONLY to one single locale of king snake, you get up in arms. Can you explain this to me?

*sigh* Taiwans and Yunnans are NOT locality snakes but are subspecies of O. taeniura. There's a fine line drawn wherein a different looking "race" warrants a subspecific status. But this is only backed up with DNA Analysis nowadays. One day, if someone had the time to work on L. g. californiae and figure out that the Davis Co./Mendota locale are a different subspecies of L. getulus, then YES, I would agree that yours would be that subspecies. Unfortunately when you're not talking about ssp, you have no proof unless it's traceable to a locality.