drowning? - Page 2

crazyboy · 10-19-03, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Derrick
probably like i should have paid more attention in swim class

lol

mykee · 10-20-03, 11:11 AM

Mark, they also produce it in pellets and blocks of almost any size. Check out their website.

MouseKilla · 10-20-03, 12:04 PM

I suppose you COULD drown them, I don't make any moral distinction between the various methods that the prey is put down as long as it's done without any intended cruelty. To me drowning is no more and no less cruel than bonking or gassing (unless you are prolonging the process by letting it breathe every so often, swearing at it then dunking it back under again). It's probably not a typical method because it's a lot more work and would likely be more time consuming especially if you're killing and feeding at the same time. What I do when I come home with a couple of boxes full of rats is pile them all into one of the boxes and pick them up one at a time, bonk it and drop it in the empty box. I can get through a box of 30 in less than 5 minutes. What could be easier? There's nothing to set up, no gas to buy, just a couple of boxes and a chunk of wood to get the job done. Why should it be any more complicated?

RepTylE · 10-23-03, 06:54 PM

Well prekilling for people that have to whack alot of mice or rats must be hard. I mean it would be like an slaughterhouse on feeding nights. I'd choose to gas them or use f/t.

mouseman · 10-23-03, 09:06 PM

I can't imagine that drowning would be very "humane". We harvest and euthanize thousands of mice at a time. The fastest, easiest and most humane way to put the mice down is to use CO2. It leaves no broken bones and no residue on the mice to be harmful to your reptiles. We have had the local SPCA visit our shop to inspect and they agreed with the method we chose for euthanizing our mice.
Lori Stuber
The Canadian Mouseman

Jayson · 10-24-03, 06:43 PM

Contrary to everyones belief, using Co2 is suffication.
the Co2 replaces the air in the blood cells, and there for you sufficate (lack of oxygen)The only diff is less panic because you can still actually breath, its just not getting any oxygen in to your lungs.
So no they are not just going to sleep, It just appears that way.

Siretsap · 10-24-03, 07:05 PM

ok let's pull out a straw, who ever gets the shortest one will try the co2 chamber, and tell us what it feels like when we cpr him
:-p

Well, apparently when you drown, you do not feel pain either. You do panic but supposively don't feel the pain (unless it's boiling water or freezing water).

Still the "humane way" only cause we don't like to see them panic would be co2. I buy them frozen and if mouseman you ever ship to mtl, I will have my next order from you I buy in packs of 150 to 200 mice and rats.

RepTylE · 10-26-03, 09:05 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Siretsap
[B]ok let's pull out a straw, who ever gets the shortest one will try the co2 chamber, and tell us what it feels like when we cpr him
:-p

Count me out, I'm single and have too much to live for

Linds · 10-26-03, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Jayson
Contrary to everyones belief, using Co2 is suffication.
the Co2 replaces the air in the blood cells, and there for you sufficate (lack of oxygen)The only diff is less panic because you can still actually breath, its just not getting any oxygen in to your lungs.
So no they are not just going to sleep, It just appears that way.

It is suffocation, but it is far from the same type. It is completely peaceful. Its the same as when people lock themselves in the garage with the car running. Its odourless and tasteless, so all you know is that you are getting very sleepy and then you pass out. Pretty much falling asleep and then dying.

RepTylE · 10-26-03, 06:36 PM

It's about the closest to stress free death as you are likely to get. Actually, wouldn't it cause lightheadedness so it would be like being intoxicated in effect???

Jayson · 10-26-03, 09:07 PM

Actually it would be more like sticking your mouth on the tail pipe of a car untill you were dead.
There is a big difference between slowly filling a room ful of gas and filling a small chamber in three seconds

ChokeOnSmoke · 10-26-03, 09:15 PM

there was a good thread on this a few days ago I'll try to find it. It had a link to page that showed how to use vineger and baking soda it also told the effects of co2 as it increased in the air.

KrokadilyanGuy3 · 10-27-03, 03:06 AM

Good thing I only feed live or hunted prey items..

RepTylE · 10-27-03, 06:12 PM

Car engines give off carbon monoxide which is not the same thing.

Syst3m · 10-27-03, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Siretsap

Well, apparently when you drown, you do not feel pain either. You do panic but supposively don't feel the pain (unless it's boiling water or freezing water).

Drowning hurts. You ever swallowed a lung full of water.
But on the other hand it is rather peaceful when you do drown.
At least speaking on the grounds that I have been legally dead in water before.... The panic factor is pretty scarry.