What morph would you say??? - Page 2

Youkai · 10-11-03, 04:16 PM

This has been taken out of context so many times...

A high yellow does not have to be an animal lacking dark pigment on it's legs.

It is stated in the leopard gecko manual that a good way to distiguish high yellow hatchlings from others is that they may have no black on their back legs.

Somehow, since this was printed, readers have decided that for an animal to be high yellow it must have no black pigment on the legs....

High yellow animals are just leos with larger amounts of brighter yellow pigmentation and possibly reduced spotting.

I had a leo that was practically neon yellow, and spotted. She had spots on her hind legs. No one will convince me she wasn't high yellow because she had spots on her legs!

reptilesalonica · 10-11-03, 07:02 PM

Of course i will agree with Youkai. Because today we see many yellowish leos, that doesn't mean that we could call it a...normal...noway guys.
I have the same but mine is high yellow-reduced pattern-tang tail.
~Greg~

SnowSnake · 10-12-03, 07:31 AM

I agree with youkai. Some leos do have spots on the hind legs and are very bright so they should be called high yellow.
As for the spots on the hind legs; if there are no black spots on the leos' hind legs the yellow will seem brighter but it's only because the leo doesn't have black to make the yellow look less bright.

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hypo refers to the body spots

So a leo with spots on its' legs but super hypo body would be called super hypo? I don't think so, cause the legs are considered part of the body for hypo.

reptilesalonica: This leo is simply a hypo. All regular leos have that amount of orange on their tails, only since yours has a regen tail the orange is dispersed on it. It's still a hypo.

Tim and Julie B · 10-13-03, 03:57 AM

Guess someone should re-write the book on patterns. Thing is, with so many breeders anyone can call anything by any name and it will still be a controversy. This conversation was brought up a while ago and everyone agreed then, what's changed now? lol Hmm...guess breeders need to update their "titles" again.

SnowSnake · 10-13-03, 08:20 AM

lolll we do need a book on morphs and patterns

J-Man · 10-13-03, 10:17 AM

looks like mine... mine was supposed to be a normal.

Zoe · 10-13-03, 11:46 AM

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So a leo with spots on its' legs but super hypo body would be called super hypo? I don't think so, cause the legs are considered part of the body for hypo

lol and what, the tail and head aren't considered a part of the body??

And yup, Greg, that's just high-yellow recuded pattern. Having a few flecks of orange on its tail is normal.

Zoe

SnowSnake · 10-13-03, 03:33 PM

lol thats not what I meant Zoe :P
What I meen is that when you see a super hypo he usually has no spots on the back and legs but it is still considered super hypo if it has spots on the head and tail.
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Zoe · 10-13-03, 03:35 PM

Yeah... but I think if a leo had NO spots on its back, and a few on its legs, it would still be a super hypo. Obviously if its legs were covered with spots no one would label it as a super hypo... but I dont think that problem comes up too often

Zoe

Youkai · 10-13-03, 05:01 PM

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Guess someone should re-write the book on patterns. Thing is, with so many breeders anyone can call anything by any name and it will still be a controversy. This conversation was brought up a while ago and everyone agreed then, what's changed now? lol Hmm...guess breeders need to update their "titles" again.

I know what you mean. I've seen this all come up plenty of times. The thing is, and I swear, this high yellow thing was never such a controversy until that book was published and tons of people took it the wrong way. Until then high yellows were just that - really, really yellow animals. It became such controversy this way:

Some people read the book wrong. Decided high yellows were animals with all yellow hind legs, based on what they mis-read. People new to leos never double checked where people got this info from...and boom.

Quote right out of the leo manual (the one many people misinterpreted. I guess our public schools are failing, eh?):

" 'High Yellows' can be determined at hatching by examining the hind legs. If the femur...is entirely all yellow...in color then the neonate will become a 'high yellow'. This recognition tool is very useful for selecting favored animals."

The definintion of high yellow in the book?

"A gecko of extremely bright yellow or gold background coloration with any pattern phase."

Youkai · 10-13-03, 05:31 PM

Oh, I've also got another book here, published in '94 by TFH. There is a picture of a gecko that I'd still love to have in a hypo group today! It is the single color variation/morph mentioned in the book.

"An incredible leopard gecko with reduced spotting and intense yellow color. "High yellow" specimens are the goal of many breeders."

It's the kind of gecko I wish I saw more of...and I actually really want one like it. The whole body is bright golden yellow (including the head) but it still has a fair amount of spots.

All the other geckos in the book are normal colored leos. I mean, go-out-in-the-wild-and-catch-some-leos-and-that's-what-they-look-like kind of color.

I'm done for now.