Alligator Hunting..

[B-Rep]

Ahah, Xain you are right, I am a vegitarian...

I am going to go out on a limb here, and be the only one to say...

I am a TRUE animal lover, and as such, I don't take any pride or enjoyment out of putting a bullett through the head of one of Natures gorgeous creations. I personally cannot look into the eyes of a dying/dead creature knowing that I did this to them...I just love animals too much.

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

Most Vegitarians are easy to pick out by their choice of wordings, even if not seen. No disrespect.
However, I am a TRUE animal lover as well and I love what they present as well. To be quite honest, do you think it's fair to proclaim that when you are a part of an animal's dismissle as well and if you dont do it up front and close such as hunting, you ae deffinatly killing them slowly.
Like persay, do you drive or ride in a gas powered vehicle?
Bathe? Use pesticides? Live in a home? Buy store bought produce? Wear leather or use it for any sort? Drive on roads? Have wooden anything? and so on.. All of these are in fact animal killers even if it is a long term effect, however, wouldn't it be better if the animals were killed in a fast action, even if it is a bullet rather than a slow progessive death, like say loss of habitat (Homes, wooden products, farm products, electricity in most cases) or pollution such as sewage (bath water, any contaminated water) or just owning part of the animal such as leather? We are killing the animal fast and for a reason. Just because I choose to kill an eat an animal doesn't make me any less of an animal lover than you. I love the animals for the creatures, I love what they present, I love how they taste, I love everything about them generally.. One must live for another to die, Plant or animal. I choose to eat what I favor, and plants arent my bag, Id die if I was stuck on plant material. You choose to do what you do, thats cool, no disrespect or harm, I will do what I want to do, but claiming me or any others who promote hunting any less animal lovers than you just because we hunt and first hand kill our meals is a bt sad. Most of us love all the aspects of animals, even the taste of some..
Xain

[Locolobo]

I have to chime in on this one. I am an avid Hunter and have been for many years. I don't discriminate though, I will kill a doe just as fast as I would a buck. Of course I have the proper permits and such. Horns and antlers are pretty, but they taste like crap. I am a true believer in don't kill it if you aren't going to eat it.

B-Rep, I have a few questions for you . What type of food do you feed that caimen of yours? Are you killing it or does someone else do your killing for you? What other herps do you feed prey animals to? How does this make you the only TRUE animal lover?
Dude, get off your high horse!

[ohh_kristina]

this makes me sick. that's all i will say.

[B-Rep]

Xain, I will never be in favour of hunting, as long as I live. But I really never took the time to look at it the way you see it...All past posts aside when I say that you too, love animals as much as I. I just do what I can to slow down the amount of animals killed, wether it be saving water or riding a bike...Or eating vegitables. Hahaha.

Locolobo,

You too present a good point, one can still be a hunter and be an animal lover I suppose. I guess I just don't have what it takes to kill an animal through my own power.

My caimen is a vegitarian as well I breed my own rats and feed F/T...and yes, someone else does do the killing for me. It's sad everytime but I guess that's life.


Thanks for all of your postings!

[Locolobo]

B-rep,
Hunting and killing is not for everyone. It's good that some have a tender heart. I for one felt bad the first time I did it, but I realize that it is a part of the natural order of things. I am mainly a carnivor and find a special bond with the animal that I harvest myself. I happen to have the highest love and respect for all Gods creatures however big or small. With the exception of parasites, but that's another story. The animals that I hunt are prey animals. These creatures numbers are controled by predators. The problem is that humans through uncontrolled hunting(turn of the century), habitat loss amoung other things have decreased the predator numbers drastically. We have unbalanced the natural order of things. Through hunting I am sparing these creatures the painful death of disease or starvation due to overpopulation. Personally I am a very ethical hunter. I don't every cause an animal unnecessary suffering or use unfair advantages like baiting. It's all about skill. Please folks don't condem all of us Hunters because of a few drunken rednecks.
Regards,
Bob

[Steele]

that makes me want to barf

[snakehunter]

i dont have a problem with it as long as it is done:

as humanly as possible

to help keep the population in check

and it has a porpuse, like food (for humans)

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

Loco, I agree completly. I must also add that I do occassionally use the sit and wait technique when I'm not in the mod to walk around and stalk an animal, and I see nothing wrong with this because if you look out in the animal world, most of the hunters are ambush hunters, so I see nothing wrong with sit and wait techniques. I do however dispise, traps, snares and anything else that generally dosent cause first hand hunting.. Xain

[B-Rep]

Unfair advantages are a part of hunting, if you are a hunter, chances are you use unfair advantages in your favour. Go out into nature with nothing but the clothes on your back...Fashion yourself a weapon out of wood, and catch and kill a deer that way...Now that's hunting!

( If you want the FULL experience/Genuine Hunt )

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

I see your point, but lets look at it like this..

Hunters use Camouflage to help blend in to the surroundings, sure not necessarily fair.. But lets look at crocodilias in general, a floating alligator is generally discribed as a floating log, there's a deception. Crocodilians can be undetected in very shallow waters and this is because of the pattern and scaleation of the animal, another deception. A crocodilian is an apex predator because of it's ability to hunt and his ability to hunt has alot to do with his camouflage. As with any hunter, they are very well diquised to fit in around the prey livings, Praying mantis, Snakes of all kinds, spiders, ect, ect.. All of these animals have the ability to kill with specified techniques and weapons, Crocodilians have their teeth and power, Spiders have their venom and webs, snakes have their speed and Constriction and/or Venom, We humans; We have our Unlimited thoughts and the ability to build the weapons we need to survive, everyone may seem to think that is unfair, but it is a cause of Nature at it's work. Everyone thinks we are generally powerless without our weopons, and true we are but so are everythng else. We all have our specified needs and our abilities to do what we need to survive and we just so happen to have to use our heads, just because we are not equipped with claws, large fangs, venom and the power does not mean we are ay less hunters than the next animal. We all use weapons, human and animal alike and we all have camouflage, even if we have to diquise ourselves, but so do many other animals, turtles, and some crabs are a select few. Our ability to survive is what we have at use, and we just so happen to be able to do the described above..

Also, I mention traps in an earlier post,about me not agreeing with them, but I agree with natural ways and most spiders happen to use traps. Well, ever been snared or stuck in a bear trap? Being caught in a web doesnt hurt.. Just thought I hould clarify that..
Xain

[B-Rep]

I definetly don't condone the use of inhumane traps...

It just seems like any half-*** hunter with a rifle and a gun license can go out and kill a gorgeous creature. Now, you don't seem to be one those now, but at first I thought I had you pegged as one. As long as you truly respect and admire what you take from nature, you won't hear complaints from me.

Thanks for the posting.

[Locolobo]

B-rep,
That's not what I meant by"unfair advantages". I was reffering to Baiting, using Dogs, riding around on fourwheelers, things like that. I use camoflage and various weapons in the field. Believe me the deer and turkey are not easy to get to with what I use. I am in their element and they by far surpass my skills there. They are very wiley. Compared to them I am clumsey, loud and smelly. There are many days iI come home empty.
As far as food I don't waste much! I feed the neighbors dog the bones I don't eat. I leave the entrails to the foxes. I hate waste.

Back to the original subject, The Gator hunt. I don't really care for it. But I don't know much about it. Are these guys hunting on the ground or in boats? Day or night? Are they a bunch of drunk rednecks or actual ethical Hunters? I don't think I want to do it. The only reason I spoke up here is because Hunters were being clumped together and condemmed.

We Hunters are as different as Pet lovers and PETA Fanatics!
Good weekend to all,
Bob

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

I feed the neighbors dog the bones I don't eat.

What kind of bones do you eat? heh

For the record, most of us hunters come home empty handed.

[JD@reptiles]

I do not agree on wild hunting of any animal unless the animal is causing problems on the environment. But I think it’s stupid when people go out and kill reptiles. I understand a few crocs and alligators killed here and there because they are a threat to man, or they ate someone’s dog. BUT even than, it’s the humans that moved into the animals habitat. With all the farm raised food, there is no reason for wild hunting unless the animal is really having bad effects on the environment or there few or no food farms in the country the animals are being hunted. That’s just what I think.

Jordan