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08-30-03, 11:20 PM
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Update..
She's all light green and happy looking.. well happier looking.. was "walking" around a bit today.. ate and drank about the same..
her tongue was in her mouth.. it's more pink now..
I have hopes for this lil girl...
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08-31-03, 09:11 AM
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That's great. It sounds like she could actually pull through... but I don't have any experience in rescuing herps.
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08-31-03, 11:35 AM
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I seem to be at a loss for words.
I would however, greatly enjoy an opportunity to get my hooks into the individual that committed this little atrocity.
WM
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08-31-03, 11:41 AM
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Thats so sad.....  I hope she makes it. Thats a bad case of neglect if I ever saw one. At least they sort of tried to do something by giving it to you, but thats still horrible. Good luck. ~TR~
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08-31-03, 01:29 PM
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It's gotta make you wonder how it happened. I mean, you couldn't just neglect it and have it turn out like that could you? I'm thinking maybe a dog or cat got to it? Because let's say it could get like that from negligence (spelling), they would have to neglect it pretty damn bad and in which case I'm sure they wouldn't care about it... and so if they didn't care about it why would they try to save it at all?
I bet they weren't horrible people.... just irresponsible and probably let a cat or dog into the cham's room.
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08-31-03, 01:35 PM
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Hmmm.... yea mabye. Or dropped it a bunch of times or something... poor thing. It doesnt have any bite marks or anything does it? I hope it makes it.
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08-31-03, 01:39 PM
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Nope, that's a clear cut case of neglect. What's even worse is that they couldn't bring themselves to take the animal to a vet. Instead, drop it off on somebody else's doorstep and leave them to deal with the result.
I have to say, its situations like this that make me very supportive of proposed exotic bans.
WM
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08-31-03, 02:24 PM
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Thats sick........I hope she makes it ok....And I would have probably knocked out not only the people that did this to her, but to the vet to.....they have no place refusing treatment........
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08-31-03, 02:37 PM
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good luck. Definately keep us updated. Take lots of pictures along the way.
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08-31-03, 02:50 PM
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God that is so upsetting.
Could someone explain what it means by "double joints" ??? Is that like it sounds (i.e. like people might have) or does that mean something else that can happen to chams?
Marisa
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08-31-03, 04:23 PM
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FYI The Vet here is swamped as they found a puppy mill just outside of town and they currently have about 100 puppies in a place that can't really deal with that many, on top of all their regular business.
It was a choice btwn euthanizing her right now, or possibly giving her another chance at life.. I chose the 2nd one.. I just can't give up on an animal, be it herp or cute and fuzzy without trying for a day or two..
I had made the decision that if she showed NO improvement in two days I'd put her down.
Since she has shown improvement I'm glad I didn't put her down right away.
Marisa,
From what I know [don't deal with Chams much so this is word of mouth from others that do] double joints are like in people, but in a cham it means their legs bent the wrong way and they can't grab things to walk right and eventually they can't hold on to anything.
Not sure if this is true, but it's what I've heard.
Thanks for all the support.. I'll post new pics of her tomorrow.
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08-31-03, 04:56 PM
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The term "double jointed" is a misnomer anyway, it probably shouldn't be used in this context.
What you are looking at is an animal so chronically defficient in calcium and/or UVB, that it's skeleton can't support its own weight. The curves and bends you see are either outright fractures of the bones or places where the tissues are so soft that they bend like half cooked pasta.
The deformed casque is also indicative of MBD as is the inability to retract the tongue. As heartless as some of you may view it, I would have opted for immediate euthanasia in a case this advanced.
WM
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08-31-03, 06:12 PM
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Renee, is there not a vet, further away, that you can drive to? She will improve with the help you are giving, but she really needs a vet. You can't fix a chameleon in that state with pedialyte and mashed bugs, as good as your intentions may be.
Zoe
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08-31-03, 06:17 PM
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i have o agree with zoe ... without a vet, there is only so much you can do
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08-31-03, 08:37 PM
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well after sitting here for most of the day debating it.. I finally called some vet tech friends here.. one of them is gonna bring her in and put her down for me.. kinda under the table, but he owes me for some favours I did him a couple years back so..
Thanks for the support.. I've gotta go cry now..
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