OK let’s have some fun,

[Bryce Masuk]

steeve I am not sure you understood what I was saying Pm me and we will talk Unless you want it posted here

"To any one on this forum that will convince the majority of peoples on this forum that they can care for them properly (long term)"

you said this I basicly got from that that you wanted to know if everybody on here could take on animals like this I myself figured that that if they dont tkae care of there existing animals they wouldnt take care of any new additions thats what i was refering to not you showing them your facilitys You looking at there's thats what I ment not vice versa


Edited to add: Steeve I couldnt take on the pair even if i wanted to Talking to you is more then enough for me knowledge first then material objects my friend

[Tim and Julie B]

Well Steeve they are interesting but I would have to pass. I will be the first one to say that I simply do not want them. Not because I do not think they are interesting but because i do not have the experiance, besides I would rather have peach throats. Call me crazy but you have to go with what you love. Besides I would actually have the room for peachies unlike croc monitors (dwarf or not). I think the person should have to show the cage ahead of time. And to prevent fraud you should have to put a banner on the cage saying "I LOVE SSNAKESS!!!". This is a great idea to see if anyone is truly capable of keeping these beautiful monitors. TB

[Steeve B]

Bryce; got it this time thanks!

Tim; pleas keep up with this thread, I like your Wisdom

[asphyxia]

Steve

IMO. I believe if people wanted Crocs bad enough they would have sourced them out previously to this, and would not just be jumping on this opportunity, although it is very generious offer once again Steve.

Now, if we could only have a challange over some dumerals
I'd be in lol

Take Care

Brian

[V.hb]

my threads seem to go ignored..........it's the extreme truth...... told as it is.......

[Bryce Masuk]

Steeve I would love to chat with you about this I am brycemasuk on yahoo add me please and we can share thoughts or go on the ssnakess chat room I want to talk with you

[Steeve B]

Oh no V.hb your not unnoticed in fact I was hoping for your opinions.

Bryce; aim not English therefore aim not good at chatting, they who’d kick me out the chat room pronto! PM me I will give you me email.

I hope you guys realise how this can be a very good thread, as I said this is to have fun and relax

[V.hb]

Steve, its all in fun...I do know the animals welfare will be first when you're involved.. but some of the people responding worry me!! good luck with everything

[Scales Zoo]

Steve, as you probably know, crocodile monitors are my holy grail of lizards, or maybe even of all reptiles.

Some day I will keep a pair... but not right now (was what we had decided when we had the chance to buy the male that Penny now has)

But on second thought, if you aren't going to be making any available in the future, I may consider getting some now. I would have liked to be able to wait until I was sure I was ready, but if I am going to be forced to act now... I will.

Actually, we had talked about removing the water monitor from our display, and build other caging. Currently, we have room for a cage that would measure 8 feet high, 14feet long, and 5 feet deep.

Anyways, my point is, I hope you make some available in the future. Sheila and myself have restraint enough to say that this isn't the best time for us to get some, but we sure do want to get some in the future.

If you don't make some available in the future, there will probably be none around for people to see at places like SCALES. I know some of what you think about most zoos, SCALES isn't like most zoos.

Scales stands for Serpent Conservatory and Lizard Emporium.
We are more concerned with showing the public healthy animals, to help teach them about them, conservation, global habitat issues and include some fun facts and museum artifacts just for extras.

So, you ask, what is Ryan's point in all of this, or has he been using the Elmers glue again.

If my chances of acquiring crocodile monitors from you, or someone like you (there isn't anyone else like you that I know of) - are not good for the future, then you are going to force me to enter this contest, and attempt to prove our ability to keep our holy grail of reptiles, a little sooner than we had planned.

The big thing from keeping us from getting them before was a reluctance to remove the water monitor from scales.

I have room at our private collection, to keep the water monitor. I would much rather have a crocodile monitor enclosure in the place we built his. We could build it to open to the outside in the summer.

I promise not to get in their cage to feed them, to put them on a leash and walk them too the park, to let anyone else interact with them physically, and I promise to ask you first when ever I have a question about them.

I would like you to see how we keep our other monitors, and reptiles. I would invite you to come here and help me plan a good enclosure - I could even buy your plane ticket.

I have officially thrown myself into the ring so to speak, I was not originally going to post in this thread, but I do see that it is potentially a very good thread, and gives one something to think about.

Do you have any questions for me?

Ryan

[Steeve B]

nt

[Steeve B]

Scales zoo, this isn’t a contest! It’s an educational thread we all can contribute too or learn from, and I refuse to influence this thread in any direction, basically the forum population will make the decision from question and observations.
I have many things to say already but aim sure others have also, so IL just sit quietly and see where this will bring us.

Many thanks for getting involved it take guts
Regards

[markb]

The perspective owners of this new varaid pair will have to ample room, heat, moisture, substrate, large branches, multiple feeding, basking, and water/bathing spots for these animals. Theywill need to understand this animals role in PNG, so when they interact with this animals they have a basis for understanding what "it does" in New Guinea, and why - so they can learn in time to expect the unexpected when they occur - and ALL Varanid keepers have these moments! - and how to when necessary get them to the vet - for which I suppose you just pick them up, and place them in ______ (what?), a large duffle-bag to go to the vet. Things like this the keeper needs to understand, and then interaction between you and your new animals will be good, better than good I think.

Its amazing you can import an apex predator from New Guinea and watch it do its thing in your home 5000 miles away - amazing and (hopefully) wonderful...check out "Max" posts on Varanus.nl for his "crocky" and see how he gets along with his salvadorii - amazing.

Good luck,
mbayless

[Steeve B]

Mark Bayless according to Hans Georg Horn they are indeed the most fascinating apex predators you can ever dream of working with, and I fully agree.
This is why we must all work on finding ways we can keep the right to own them,
We need to find ways and understandings to have the legitimate right to do so, and this is what this thread is about, peoples here may not know you well,but to me you are a mentor in many ways, and your assistance is most valuable.
Kind Regards

[Bryce Masuk]

Steve many that want the animals are going for them because they can getthem at a cheap price people who are going after them because they are cheap are the MOST likely to act like fools with them.

If you want to give them away like this
this is what I would require
> 1. Croc monitor experiance
> 2. to pass a test that you will write on the monitor care and handling
> 3. a signed agreement that they will not sell or trade them
> 4. pictures of the cage

> As you know Croc monitors Need to be taken seriously so they need serious owners I would talk to the people to on the phone as well
Croc's are the most dangerous when in the wrong hands but in the right hands they are spectacular
> Bryce Masuk

I sent this to steeve Via email he asked me to post it here.
These are not fluffy the bunny the pet. these should be treated like predators that can and WILL KILL You If they get the chance.
These are NOT PET's People looking for free animal's should walk away now. it will cost you thousands of dollars a year to correctly maintain these creatures. I would LOVE to have a pair but I have a long road ahead of me before I am settled down enough to have them. these are a LIFE LONG commitment you are tied to them till they die. they will take a lot of space and time and they will NEVER LOVE YOU

Steeve dont be Discouraged There are people out there who deserve a chance at these and your other breeding projects. dont give up hope

Bryce

[Tim and Julie B]

Steeve do you want comments about perspective owners posted on here or sent to you privately? I am curious about the process you would like to take.
I just wanted to add that I saw a Mark O'Shea program on Croc monitors. He was saying that no one truley knows the size of wild croc monitors because there has never been an extensive study done on them. Mark and Steeve, any comments on this? Steeve what is the largest one you own? What age is it at this size? And how quickly do they grow?
These are definatly questions a respective buyer should know the answers to. As well as feeding. Are you prepared for the cost to feed them? And are you able to provide their nutritional requirments?
Size of the monitor and size of the cage are only part of the ownership. In have talked a show boating "friend" out of getting them once. I am not saying this to get commended for it by any means, just to explain that I have seen first hand how someone can get wrapped up in the "I am cooler then everyone else because I have croc monitors" attitude. Please think it through! TB