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06-02-03, 10:45 AM
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Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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I kno what you mean,this lizard is not at ALL for showing off or anything like that.I just want a lizard that will be more of a challenge,something very large and long lived,and also something that eats live prey.As a kid im pretty lucky to have what I have,im am VERY VERY expirienced with all types of animals and im very dedicated.This could help you understand me,in my room alone I have1 29 gallon tank with 4 year old red ear sliders,10 gallon with ball pyhton,10 gallon with 3 hermit crabs,10 gallon rasing baby angelfish,ans 4 gallon 1 greed tree frog(2 years old),im telling you this so you will know how dedicated I am to animals .I just want a challenge,can someone sugest anything?
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06-02-03, 10:46 AM
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#17
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Banned
Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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also in my house I have 3 cats and 1 dog.
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06-02-03, 11:10 AM
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Join Date: Nov-2002
Location: Toronto
Age: 39
Posts: 16,977
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I see that you have quite a bit in your room and I don't think you can properly house anything that attains a large size. You also don't seem to be properly caring for your animals. You have iadequate cages for some of your animals,unless they are all being stunted with other bad husbandry practices.
A 4 year old red ear slider would need more room then a 29 gal. THey need quite a bit of room so I would say just for one I would be putting it in a 50 gal.
Your green tree frog should be in something taller then a 4 gal. It isn't called a TREEfrog for nothing.
If you want a challenge and be able to conquer that challenge why don't you get a pet rock,some friendly dirt and maybe a few nice sticks and keep them.
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06-02-03, 11:16 AM
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#19
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Banned
Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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its ok I forgive you for being increibly rude but let me tail you this.my 2 red ear sliders are 4 years old and 5 inches long and doing great.My tree frog is in a temmperary enclousure,my angels are not even an ich long yet,my ball python is on ly 15 inches.So a pet rock is to easy for me.Can someone realy help me?
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06-02-03, 11:38 AM
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Member
Join Date: Feb-2003
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
Age: 41
Posts: 1,279
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Why would you want to feed live prey it is not worth the head acks.
[QUOTE]im am VERY VERY expirienced with all types of animals and im very dedicated.This could help you understand me,in my room alone I have1 29 gallon tank with 4 year old red ear sliders,10 gallon with ball pyhton,10 gallon with 3 hermit crabs,10 gallon rasing baby angelfish,ans 4 gallon 1 greed tree frog(2 years old)[QUOTE]
Ok I see your dedication but nothing there can get you ready for a giant reptile (fish,frogs and turtels) are nothing compared
large lizards and snakes.
I will tell you what I have worked with ok.
Anacondas, Burms, Retic's, Boas all large and small version of the animals.
small and large crocodilans, monitor's and asorted tortises.
and I will be the firs to say I know nothing and have no experiance cause I learn every day I am still waiting till I have 20 years under the belt B4 I can say I am a experienced herper.
you at 13 know barly the basic's for what you have and that is ok cause we all start someware and at one point we all knew nothing.
just take my advice and stick with smaller things and make then thrive and then you will be ready for a bigger animal in a few years. It is all worth the wait.
It is better to do your reserch now so when you have it you will know what to do and wont be stuck asking questions to every one.
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06-02-03, 11:41 AM
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#21
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Banned
Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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My petshop says this,"you can buy the lizard now and when it gets to big for you we will buy it from you".How long does it take for one of them to get full grown?The one at the petshop is 7-8 inches...
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06-02-03, 01:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov-2002
Location: Toronto
Age: 39
Posts: 16,977
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Quote:
Originally posted by BallPython13
imy 2 red ear sliders are 4 years old and 5 inches long and doing great.
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Ok red ear slider should be BIGGER then 5 inches at 4 years old. You most likely don't have a hot spot for them,which you do need or else your just slowing their metbolism and pretty much keeping them in brumation all their lives.
Savannahs can grow pretty quickly if cared for properly but if you have dedication why would oyu buy something and just get rid of it when it's too big?
Your just contradicting yourself.
P.S. If a pet rock is too easy how about you get a colony of them or try your hand a subspecies of stones or pebbles. Or try your hand at keeping the ever tricky and elusive sand.
Last edited by Aaron_S; 06-02-03 at 02:13 PM..
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06-02-03, 01:26 PM
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#23
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Banned
Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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Ok what is your dill?You are being VERY rude or am I taking it rude?Ive already stated im not getting any new animals.My turtles have a basking spot and they are being fed very well.The lady at the petshop had them in a 10 gallon and I mean there had to be over a hundred of them in there!Could this be why they are growing slow?Like were they alreay stunned when I got them?Bare with me people,im not very expirienced with reptiles but I know a little more that the basics...Ill become an expert with this forum...
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06-02-03, 01:49 PM
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Join Date: Nov-2002
Location: Toronto
Age: 39
Posts: 16,977
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DUDE!!!!
Quote:
Originally posted by BallPython13
Bare with me people,im not very expirienced with reptiles but I know a little more that the basics...Ill become an expert with this forum...
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Alright let me address this quote first. You state right above in the quote you DON"T have experience but yet at the top of this page you say you have VERY VERY much experience with animals and you are very dedicated to animals. As I said in another post you contradict yourself and you keep doing it. So stop lieing to us,you won't gain respect that way.
Now just because a pet shop keeps their animals a certain way doesn't mean you should keep yours in a inadequate sized enclosure. Pet stores bring in a large amount of animals and keep them in smaller enclosures becuase they have a high traffic rate so the animals won't be in that small cage for very long. And no your turtles weren't stunted before you got them.It takes more then a few days to do that. So it is your care that has somehow kept them smaller then they should be. Find someone with 4 year old red ears that are kept properly and you will see yours are very small.
Also a forum doesn't make you experienced,you may gain knowledge from one so you can keep your animals correctly but it won't make you an expert. You have to research and keep on researching and then go out and buy an animal and you will gain experience that way.
P.S. How is that sand comming? is it doing well? all sandy and is it colour nice and brown. If you feel you have sand down pat try adding some cork bark or better yet maybe just maybe your ready for a fake plant.
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06-02-03, 01:58 PM
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#25
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Banned
Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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What is the p.s.?Im very expirienced with my animals but I know the basics on reptiles.Will you please stop trying to get something started,I want to make friends not enimies.And yes I can become an expert from this forum,if you learn you get more and more expirienced.
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06-02-03, 02:11 PM
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#26
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Member
Join Date: Mar-2002
Location: Ottawa
Age: 38
Posts: 3,285
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My petshop says this,"you can buy the lizard now and when it gets to big for you we will buy it from you".How long does it take for one of them to get full grown?The one at the petshop is 7-8 inches...
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>( Hearing this type of thing makes me very angry. You can't just buy a lizard when its small and cute, raise it half-assed and then expect a petstore to take a huge, sick savannah monitor off your hands. It doesn't work that way. If it did, there wouldn't be so many sick, neglected savs out there.
Just because a petstore keeps something a certain way, doesn't mean that's okay. There has been a 7ft+ BCI in a 50gallon tank at a petstore I know for months.
Definition of experience: Active participation in events or activities, leading to the accumulation of knowledge or skill.
Note ACTIVE PARTICIPATION. Yes, you can research and read and take part in discussions, and that's great! But it doesn't by any stretch of the imagination give you experience or make you an expert. To be and expert you need to work your way up, working with different herps (only those you can handle!) and in years, then you can consider yourself an expert with the animals you've been working with - THEN you can move on to more advanced herps.
No one is trying to start anything, but trying to make sure that you don't go ahead and buy a cute little savannah monitor that will end up being a huge, sick, malnourished, neglected monitor in an undersized cage that is never cleaned because the sav. bites.
Zoe
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06-02-03, 02:13 PM
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#27
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Member
Join Date: Sep-2002
Location: Canada
Age: 37
Posts: 1,722
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you dont get experience from reading. experience is from doing.
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06-02-03, 02:13 PM
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#28
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Banned
Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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I know what you mean and I thought about it,I thought if I dont want him not many people would either.Im going to stick with my ball python,ive had him for a few days hes great!Ill wait till im older to go with harger lizards...
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06-02-03, 02:14 PM
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#29
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Banned
Join Date: Jun-2003
Location: Texarkana,Texas
Age: 35
Posts: 187
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sorry if I made any of you mad....
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06-02-03, 03:29 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jan-2003
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Age: 44
Posts: 209
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What a pointless pi$$ing match of "know-it-all-ism".
Another shining example of how this site has gone down-hill.
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