Difference between a performer and an artist. - Page 2

MartinD · 11-24-16, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dannybgoode

I agree - from what I've heard KW may be suffering from genuine and significant mental health issues. As someone who has suffered from severe depression and as someone who has recently lost someone to cancer I find neither a laughing matter.

Note I am not offended in any way at all (I am almost impossible to offend!) but by the same token I think too many people underestimate how debilitating mental health issues are whilst having the utmost empathy for those suffering from physical health problems.

I make this comment more to stimulate a discussion on the matter than anything else BTW

EDIT - personally I cannot stand KW or his missus but if his mental health issues are as reported then he has my sympathy

I understand the mental health issues as I was a qualified psychiatric nurse, I also lost my wife to kidney cancer in November 2015 and I also have physical problems as I suffer from Lumbar and Cervical Spondylosis and I agree with Danny on all 3 of his points.

Albert Clark · 11-24-16, 07:22 PM

We're all entitled to our own opinion and feelings. The denigrations and profanity is language that is unnecessary and counterproductive. There is a way to "bash" someone or something without being demeaning and or hitting below the belt. Rich or not Kanye West is still a human being with a heart and dignity and who is a parent, a husband, a brother, and a cousin to someone.

**Minkness** · 11-24-16, 08:04 PM

I can understand your views on that, however he clearly didn't and still doesn't when he constantly steals attention, puts others down, shows no support for anyone but his own, and completely disrespects soooooo many others on such a massive scale. Mental health or not, that is NOT respectable on any level.

**Andy_G** · 11-24-16, 08:07 PM

...joke forum...aaand i'm with mink.

Albert Clark · 11-24-16, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minkness

I can understand your views on that, however he clearly didn't and still doesn't when he constantly steals attention, puts others down, shows no support for anyone but his own, and completely disrespects soooooo many others on such a massive scale. Mental health or not, that is NOT respectable on any level.

And that's merely your opinion...

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Originally Posted by Andy_G

...joke forum...aaand i'm with mink.

. And that's fine... I stand my own ground without any validation.

**EL Ziggy** · 11-24-16, 09:11 PM

I haven't really felt K-West since his 2nd album. He is a talented artist but I don't care much for his music these days or his personality. His wife is gorgeous but not very talented IMO. Can't knock their hustle though. They've both been VERY successful.

Humble308 · 11-25-16, 07:34 AM

Very well said Z and about where I stand on it. Sadly I think we're seeing that across the board. I can hardly stomach the stuff I hear on the radio any more.

The lady and I got out to Red Rocks a few months ago to see Dylan and man what an experience. I'll die if I can go back and see John Prine! Pity I have to retreat to the 60s and 70s for good tunes.

MartinD · 11-25-16, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Humble308

Very well said Z and about where I stand on it. Sadly I think we're seeing that across the board. I can hardly stomach the stuff I hear on the radio any more.

The lady and I got out to Red Rocks a few months ago to see Dylan and man what an experience. I'll die if I can go back and see John Prine! Pity I have to retreat to the 60s and 70s for good tunes.

50's, 60's and 70's best music EVER...imo and one of my favourite films is American Graffiti. I found the documentary called 'The Day The Music Died' on YouTube a while ago, which tells of the tragic loss of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and J P Richardson aka The Big Bopper, really worth watching.

**Minkness** · 11-25-16, 10:15 AM

Not liking 'todays' music is just the first hint we are getting old lol. I am not too keen on most of te newer music or artists but still love my 80's, 90's, and early 00's.

Not quite as dated as some, but I'm feeling it more with each passing year. Just a new generation is coming along is all. =)

Humble308 · 11-25-16, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinD

50's, 60's and 70's best music EVER...imo and one of my favourite films is American Graffiti. I found the documentary called 'The Day The Music Died' on YouTube a while ago, which tells of the tragic loss of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and J P Richardson aka The Big Bopper, really worth watching.

Absolutely. Theres another on Netflix right now called "The Other One: Strange weird trip of Bob Weir" or something like. Really interesting one if you're into the Grateful Dead

trailblazer295 · 12-09-16, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Understandable views... We all have our opinions and they can't all be 100% on point. Kanye West is a grammy award winning artist (21) is known as the most grammy awarded artist of all time. He has sold more than 32 million albums worldwide and 100 million digital downloads. He really needs our support.

I don't consider grammys a measure of how good or bad an artist is. Modern artists have won far more then legends of many years ago. Does that make them better then them no. They sell more albums now but we also have more people and people have more money. Also 32 million worldwide isn't a lot compared to others around now. Eminem has sold 172 million albums worldwide.

RAD House · 12-10-16, 01:32 AM

You all are really showing your age. If you are listening to pop music and saying all modern music is crap than you have your head under a rock. Not to mention the current state of pop music is largely due to acts like the Beatles. Through out current musical genres the musicians of today are reaching a level that the "gods of rock and roll" could have only imagined. 50s and 60s popular music was just taking music that had been popular in the black community and making it white washed for the masses. There was some real progression that happened in the 70's, I will give you that but there still was disco. The music of the eighties is in large a joke. Come on now broaden your horizons a bit folks.

TRD · 01-16-17, 10:33 AM

Being popular doesn't mean you are a good artist. The same as being sold worldwide doesn't make CocaCola a good beverage.

Grammies are just that. An award, a recognition of your success (mainly in sales and commercially related).

Most of the ground breaking music is produced by people known only to a (in comparison) small crowd. Then picked up by a record label who puts a face on it and commercializes it to make profit.

If you think most of current musicians write their own songs you are grossly mistaken. Everything up to the specific tones and melodies has been experimented with an evaluated to appeal to the majority of the public. Producers can make anyone with some appeal (whether personality or appearance) a music 'star' with that data.

REAL artists in the music industry these days are few and far between and barely able to make a real living out of it.

RAD House · 01-16-17, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TRD

Being popular doesn't mean you are a good artist. The same as being sold worldwide doesn't make CocaCola a good beverage.

Grammies are just that. An award, a recognition of your success (mainly in sales and commercially related).

Most of the ground breaking music is produced by people known only to a (in comparison) small crowd. Then picked up by a record label who puts a face on it and commercializes it to make profit.

If you think most of current musicians write their own songs you are grossly mistaken. Everything up to the specific tones and melodies has been experimented with an evaluated to appeal to the majority of the public. Producers can make anyone with some appeal (whether personality or appearance) a music 'star' with that data.

REAL artists in the music industry these days are few and far between and barely able to make a real living out of it.

I whole heartedly disagree that most musicians these days do not write their own music. I agree this is true of the most successful acts, but they are really an anomaly when comparing to all musicians. Heck i think even Taylor Swift writes her own music, not that I think it is good. Being part of the heavy metal scene for two decades, if you were discovered to be playing someone else's music then you would be laughed off stage. Even outside metal there are plenty of worth while artist, they just tend to be less popular and take a bit of work to find.