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07-08-16, 04:12 PM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
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Dose the temp not drop at night in there native country, they do not seem to have feeding problems over there.
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It will drop... But I doubt they'd be found in an area that was constant 70f while digesting.
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07-08-16, 05:45 PM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
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It will drop... But I doubt they'd be found in an area that was constant 70f while digesting.
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You're right...but also not. They range from Canada to Mexico. 
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07-09-16, 12:18 AM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
So if we want our pets to live as natural as possible it wright to drop the temp at night, I accept that the digestive system will not function as good but they well be close to there natural living.
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07-09-16, 05:31 AM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
I want my pets to eat well...night drops reduce the chances of that with this species whether it occurs in nature or not... To each their own.
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07-09-16, 11:41 PM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
Well I am here to report that the constant belly heat worked. The female ate two fuzzies yesterday. She still wouldn't take them off the tongs, but soon as I stepped back she grabbed them and ate. When I open the tub to check on her she seems much more relaxed and isn't as grumpy.
Now I have to wait for the male to shed before I can really see if he is eating consistently as well. Thank you Andy for the helpful info, its worked for her.
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07-10-16, 02:55 PM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
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Originally Posted by Ian of Oldham
So if we want our pets to live as natural as possible it wright to drop the temp at night, I accept that the digestive system will not function as good but they well be close to there natural living.
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Originally Posted by Andy_G
I want my pets to eat well...night drops reduce the chances of that with this species whether it occurs in nature or not... To each their own.
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Your right Andy_G ... In this hobbie we don't just strive to imitate nature, we try to improve upon it where we can. In nature they also carry parasites, live at risk to predators and will go through long periods of starvation on many occasions... We remove these aspects as they're detrimental to the overall health of our animals.
If a night time drop reduces the feed response to a level where the keeper is worried then I'd say why not improve on nature and offer them optimal conditions all the time.
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07-10-16, 07:04 PM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
Glad to help, FF.
You're totally right snake_eyes. Captivity is a controlled environment so why not give ideal temps 24/7? Because of their range and adaptability...these guys don't even need brumation to reproduce with great success...so in this species specifically, all a night drop would do is stress the owner!
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07-23-16, 12:02 AM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
So a bit of an update. After the one feeding that I celebrated I found out she had regurgitated it a few days later. Possibly think the two fuzzies might have been too much for her? She has not eaten since. I offered 4 days after I found the regurgitation and once more a week later, she has refused both. Not with as much stress as before. So last time she ate was on the 8th. Right now she is in blue so I'm still leaving her alone and not offering food until she sheds.
She is now down to 60g. She will push her nose into the fuzzy but then turns away. She isn't hissing at it, which I hope is her being less stressed because of the tub vs. glass tank. I'm planning on offering live a day after she sheds and then if she refuses waiting a week and trying again, then if she still refuses we will be off to the vet.
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07-23-16, 05:01 AM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
Probably too much food i'm afraid. You unfortunately also offered food much to soon after the regurgitation so I am not surprised it wasn't taken. Their bodies need time to recover so it is best to wait 10-14 days before offering. Feed a smaller than normal meal as well, the last thing you'd want is another regurgitation. Sorry to hear of all the problems.
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07-23-16, 08:08 AM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
When my little JCP Ralph went missing, two days after I got him, and before I got a chance to feed him, would not eat when I got him back, a month later. I tried everything to get him to eat... I was about ready to try assists feeding, when I email the guy I got him from... He said stick him and a small meal in a paper bag and make sure he is in the dark! It worked for me! I would drop all the way down to a pinky just to see if he can hold a small meal down...
I don't want to hijack this thread but I might be doing the temp thing wrong... All three of my guys are on the cool sides of their cages every morning when I get up... The room never drops below 75* So I thought why use the electricity if their not going to be on the hot side right? We are going into a heat wave where I am; over 100s for the next few days... I have been leaving the belly heat on 24/7 48 hours after they eat; But after the 48 hours is up I turn them off at night... Tell me if I am wrong here guys, constructive criticism will be appreciated. I do have one of those new fangled Thermometer gun gadgets coming in the mail so I am moving on up...
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07-28-16, 06:31 PM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
Well she took a F/T pinky two days ago (these pinkies must be a day old, they are the smallest I have ever seen)! So it was barely a meal but she took it almost right away, so things are looking up for her. I'll try feeding her two pinkies in four or so days and see if she takes it. The male ate immediately the last two feedings so I'm a happy snake mom! Everyone is eating for once!
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07-28-16, 06:33 PM
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Re: Weightloss in short period of time
Here is proof that she ate! She looks so small now, I'm really hoping that she can start putting on weight.
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