lost water monitor - Page 2

Big_V · 05-09-16, 06:44 AM

The best solution is for this person to stop keeping animals until they have a general understanding of husbandry. The monitor lizard is NOT acceptable for this level of keeper. Let alone the chondro/gtp I as well as others tried to help him with last time. Vet care, is mandatory people, NOT an option.

You guys need to cut the dead weight before you get dragged down with trying to be positive and nicey-nice all the time. No quarantine, no fail safes, general laziness in attempting to go to a vet to solve problems.

If the individual cannot self analyze their own skills and situation (whether it be in the USA or not), this still not an excuse for the behavior. Not everyone is meant to keep reptiles regardless of their best intentions.

Start being part of the solution instead of standing up for disgusting behavior. Now a monitor lizard is loose in Israel, because of this clown, ruining for all future keepers. They already have ridiculous import and export laws already so I cant wait until guys like this ruin it for all those keeping herps there properly.

Lost my monitor, better go out and get another one.....WOW. Didn't learn a damn thing.....

Albert Clark · 05-09-16, 07:15 AM

Big_V, I see your points and agree with most of what you say. Especially the specialized animals op is keeping w/o doing the proper research and taking the proper advice of members here on the forum. Certainly he should downsize his collection to a more manageable size. I believe a lot of why we are here on the forum is to share experiences and information...Also people join these forums looking for help and advice which most take. Unfortunately op seems to be very irresponsible and needs to come to the realization that his actions are negatively affecting the community. We still need the resolve to be kind yet firm and not belittling. In spite of his lack of knowledge and compliance we need to impress upon him (respectfully) how he is making it bad for the animals and the hobby. Just my .02 cents.

**Andy_G** · 05-09-16, 08:06 AM

I'm all for building up each other and helping each other, but I WILL NOT foster idiocy. Just because someone bought a reptile does not mean that they are worthy or capable of keeping it. To see people NOT take help from others and/or throw the advice right back because they don't agree OR if someone is spouting garbage information that they read somewhere and then they spread those googled keeping tips to look intelligent as if they have the experience to back up what they're saying when they actually have NO experience with a species...those 2 things in particular will bother most people who have been keeping for a while, and we can pick those people out of the crowd pretty quickly, even online.

It seems that not everyone has reached the realization that some people only come on here looking for attention, to show off, want to feel special because they're part of a forum, or to hear what they want to from others and don't actually want to learn. If you have someone that you repeatedly help and it gets thrown back in your face no matter the approach, that someone DOES NOT belong here, straight up. If you think someone who acts this way will magically become receptive to advice, please shake your head a little bit to clear all the sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows clouding your vision because there's no way that you're thinking straight. The one individual previously mentioned in this thread is a prime example, and I am sure is still doing really dumb things, but we tried to help both constructively and then a bit more reactively, and NEITHER WAY WORKED. He would be doing these dumb things no matter the approach, no matter how nice one tried to be while giving advice and also no matter what happens to his animals in the long run. Better to be gone than to continually post garbage and repeatedly disregard all legitimate advice. Does anyone honestly think he would be making changes to the way he is keeping things if he were still here? A prime example of dead weight right there...don't want to learn, listen or discuss things? Then why are you here?

In regards to the OP...can't add much to what's been mentioned.

sirtalis · 05-09-16, 08:55 AM

Ya know, if it was kept properly I doubt it would have escaped in the first place, no doubt it was in a 20 gallon aquarium with a screen top

RAD House · 05-09-16, 09:53 AM

I surely hope none of these comments are directed at me, if so all I can say is some members reading comprehension is struggling today. Not once in any of his threads has he argued or thrown information back in anyone's face. Not once did I say that I agree with his actions or level of care. My point is that if we truly want to help these animals out it is far more productive to address this individual and people like him with professionalism. It seems some people here are more concerned about standing on a soap box than actually helping the animals in question. Trust me, I am less full of rainbows than most people can handle, but I am also realistic about trying to change behaviors and having an effect on other people. No one is going to change when being barated on the internet. The only change that will happen is they will stop listening altogether, putting the animals further in harm's way.

**Andy_G** · 05-09-16, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

I surely hope none of these comments are directed at me, if so all I can say is some members reading comprehension is struggling today. Not once in any of his threads has he argued or thrown information back in anyone's face. Not once did I say that I agree with his actions or level of care. My point is that if we truly want to help these animals out it is far more productive to address this individual and people like him with professionalism. It seems some people here are more concerned about standing on a soap box than actually helping the animals in question. Trust me, I am less full of rainbows than most people can handle, but I am also realistic about trying to change behaviors and having an effect on other people. No one is going to change when being barated on the internet. The only change that will happen is they will stop listening altogether, putting the animals further in harm's way.

I don't think anyone was directing anything at you, but if we are talking about arachneoccult, trust me when I say he most certainly had a tantrum on a few occasions (even when people were being very nice and patient) and most definitely threw the help of others back at them shortly before posts being removed or in the ones that didn't need removal, he was completely dismissive.

Wondering if the "soap box" comment was directed at me? If so, PM me and I would be glad to discuss that further with you. Or don't...whatever.

Albert Clark · 05-09-16, 10:24 AM

I could care less if they are directed at me. Some people on here don't know how to take criticism or advice bc maybe they are suffering from a medical issue, psychological issue. Maybe they are otherwise impaired and don't have a real normal cognitive ability to grasp concepts . They still don't deserve to be name called, belittled and or called idiots or any other derogatory name that individuals throw out there. They are still people who have rights and dignities. I am not here to try and win a argument or pick someone out to harass or police. I have pets but I am not your pet. I don't have to try to look intelligent I am intelligent! Try , even if it's not in you , to be respectful bc you never know what truly someone is dealing with. The counterproductive language can be saved for your pets at home!!!!!!!!!!

PatrickT · 05-09-16, 12:19 PM

I dont think this user takes any help. Those animals cant be helped. Its hopeless. So what do you expect?

Albert Clark · 05-09-16, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickT

I dont think this user takes any help. Those animals cant be helped. Its hopeless. So what do you expect?

When there is nothing else there is hope! It's all in your outlook.

erantheking21 · 05-11-16, 07:41 AM

Whats the problem? All the animals are healthy, the monitor escspe becuse he had a bad cage sheet care that the men who braught it to me
now the other one is like 2 months and very tame

Kokorobosoi · 05-11-16, 08:27 AM

I love monitors

can I see a pic?

erantheking21 · 05-11-16, 04:24 PM

Sure

in is pool

erantheking21 · 05-11-16, 04:38 PM

Sorry , but i fergot to mention that i had ocd, most of the posts of the snakes were just fear from nothing, all the snakes are fine...about the water monitor , my freind build me basin with net on top, so i canmove around it for him to get sun in the summer, like i said he escaped , belive me i didnt want him to escape !! I learned my lesson and now keep him in close terraium until he will grow up...i am the only guy that lost a monitor ? Noo ...the attack on me is overblone...i have the basic knowlage on this kind of pets, some pet i got had some problems from the owners like the tree python who had worms in is stomac and the vet took care about him, the blood python eating only live mice and the boa too...this is not my fault

Albert Clark · 05-11-16, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by erantheking21

Sorry , but i fergot to mention that i had ocd, most of the posts of the snakes were just fear from nothing, all the snakes are fine...about the water monitor , my freind build me basin with net on top, so i canmove around it for him to get sun in the summer, like i said he escaped , belive me i didnt want him to escape !! I learned my lesson and now keep him in close terraium until he will grow up...i am the only guy that lost a monitor ? Noo ...the attack on me is overblone...i have the basic knowlage on this kind of pets, some pet i got had some problems from the owners like the tree python who had worms in is stomac and the vet took care about him, the blood python eating only live mice and the boa too...this is not my fault

Just keep doing your best to maintain your collection as it is until you can really manage them. You do have some reptiles that require specialized husbandy. Try to be more aware of breaks in the security of your enclosures too. Any escaped reptiles always reflects badly on all of us as reptile keepers. Most of us have dealt with escaped animals before and we learn from it. So, we are always here to help you with opinions and advice as we know it. I hope the monitor does turn up eventually.