hey guys new here looking for advise - Page 2

prairiepanda · 09-11-15, 10:52 AM

If you can get a clear shot of the head from directly above that would help immensely. It does look like there's some white-sided influence in there for sure. It's hard to say whether rusty is a factor since this may (probably) be a hybrid.

Based on the patterning, eye colour, head shape, and head scales, I'm tempted to say it's a hybrid between a black rat and a texas rat....but hybrids can get some really weird and surprising traits, so I could be completely off. He's gorgeous, though, and I'm certainly jealous!!

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 10:52 AM

Yes go ahead and share it. I would love to find out what he is.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 10:54 AM

Im going to feed him tonight, he doesnt like anything being close to his face unless he does it. Im hoping i can get him focused on the mouse and get some good shots.

Sylphie · 09-11-15, 11:01 AM

Okay, I'll let you know what they think

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 11:04 AM

Ok thanks Sylphie

RAD House · 09-11-15, 11:22 AM

I have seen rusty white sided black rats for sale by Reptmart so it could very easily be both. Looking at the close up of the head I am pretty certain it is P. obsoletus. Prairiepanda I very much disagree that this is a hybrid, especially as Texas rats and the western black rat snakes are the same species. I really do think what you have here is a rusty white sided Black rat snake.

dave himself · 09-11-15, 12:00 PM

He's freakin stunning that's what he is

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MesoCorney

I have seen rusty white sided black rats for sale by Reptmart so it could very easily be both. Looking at the close up of the head I am pretty certain it is P. obsoletus. Prairiepanda I very much disagree that this is a hybrid, especially as Texas rats and the western black rat snakes are the same species. I really do think what you have here is a rusty white sided Black rat snake.

Are they common, i mean you guys havent seen very many of them. I love his coloring and i wouldnt mind getting another one.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 12:06 PM

Thank you all very the compliments on him. Thanks for all the help figuring out exactly what he is now that we have him narrowed down to a rat snake. Does anyone have a name suggestion?

Sylphie · 09-11-15, 02:06 PM

So I posted your pics, and here are some suggestions: cross between bairdi rat snake and texas rat snake, or some type of weird brooks rat snake, whitesided rat snake or whitesided bull snake (this last one rather sceptical). I'll let you know if there would ba another answers.

RAD House · 09-11-15, 02:33 PM

They are not as common as say a ball python or a corn snake, but I would not call them rare. The black rat snake is pretty common in the US and it is only a color morph of this animal. They are certainly not worth more then corn snakes and probably less than some corn snake morphs. Neat snakes, I just bought a luecistic black rat and I really like her. They are similar to corns in many ways but can get a bit larger.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 02:38 PM

I dont think hes a bull his head isnt big compared to his i really think he is a white sided rusty cross but i appreciate the thoughts. Hes got motly to him do im not sure exactly where he gets it from.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 02:38 PM

Compared to his body....

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 02:41 PM

I was just looking at morphs and i really like the licorice morph. But there is a few others as well.

Chancesgirl82 · 09-11-15, 02:49 PM

I also know where i can pick up some really nice corns for like $10 cause he is trying to down size. He has this female that looks like a coral snow and a few okatees.