medical question - Page 2

SnoopySnake · 01-23-15, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fishingfool

It actually a i can't afford to spend 200+ Dollars to treat something i can treat at home for 1/3rd the price i care for and love my anamals

How can you treat it if you don't even know what it is? if you're dealing with parasites, you need to know what they are, what to use for treatment, and what the dosage is. It it's an RI, here's a quote from another thread because I don't feel like re-typing all this.

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Originally Posted by MDT

If no culture was done, you have zero idea what you were treating. Zero idea if the organism was susceptible to quinolone antibiotics, you don't even know if your animal has a bacterial infection that an antibiotic will fix. If your snake has a viral respiratory infection (antibiotics not gonna work), then your husbandry and a good chicken noodle soup recipe (ok, I'm kidding about the last part) is your only cure for that. If it's fungal, you have a whole other set of issues, and no, antibiotics won't fix that either.

Gotta culture to get a cure....

Bottom line is, you need to know what the issue is for treatment and in your case that sounds like it requires a vet visit.

fishingfool · 01-23-15, 04:55 PM

So pretty much ima have to go to the vet well i guess i can fall behind on some more bills

fishingfool · 01-23-15, 04:58 PM

And I'm pretty convinced its not parasites since what i thought was symtoms of them turned.out.to not.be

Kuamata · 01-23-15, 06:23 PM

Livestock does not equal exotic pets that you take full responsibility for. If you can't afford the animal, don't get it.

Just another person looking to hear,"It's ok you can't get your sick animal professional help and it may end up suffering on your behalf," then turn tail when someone is honest with you.

fishingfool · 01-23-15, 06:37 PM

No its a bipolar man trying not to flip out cus some rude **** head makeing me feel like a **** for takeing a anamal that would have died.in a over craped cage in a petshop ya know i feel the same way about.kids can't feed em don't breed them you dont see me complaining to every parent that 58% of my property taxes go to schools when i don't have kids clearly this site isn't any better then a facebook group i guess ima just have to rely on google and a vet that only cares for cats and dogs or drice about.six friggen hours just to turn my pockets insideout you need to go to the friggen members loung.and do.some.reading

fishingfool · 01-23-15, 06:40 PM

Snoopy you where actually helpful you provided info about RI see i didn't know there was anything.but bacterial RI when.it.came to snakes so i now know.its not so easy to treat as i once thought

MDT · 01-23-15, 06:50 PM

hey dude...no one's trying to bust on you (too) hard, but seriously...i have this conversation every. single. day......

as a matter of fact, i'm sitting at my desk typing this after just having had a discussion/fight with a patient about why i won't give her kid an antibiotic for "just in case"....her kid has a cold (read:virus)....no antibiotic on this planet will cure a virus. no antibiotic (in the traditional sense) will cure an intestinal parasite.....no antiviral medication will kill a bacteria. you gotta give the right medication for the right bug. if you don't, you simply have not gained any ground, and you have potentially exposed the patient to a harmful substance (yes, antibiotics have crappy bad side effects)....so, i know it sucks, i know medicine is expensive. i know it *seems* we could just write a prescription for X, Y, or Z infection and if we don't it's because we're being a douche. but. i promise, that's not the case..

i hope all goes well w your BP...keep us updated..

fishingfool · 01-23-15, 06:54 PM

Yea it is deff exspencive amd the stress deff don't go down from people.makeing.you sound.like a bad pet parent

fishingfool · 01-23-15, 06:56 PM

I just don't get why peoplr can self.treat pet fish and no one bats an eye. yet I'm a monster all of a suden.for hopeing.there is a cheaper way to go about.this o_0

MDT · 01-23-15, 07:19 PM

because you're going farther up the evolutionary chain

more neurons....fish are just....meh....

(ok...i'm kidding)

Kuamata · 01-23-15, 08:33 PM

As I said, different than an exotic pet you've chosen to take full responsibility of. Many people come here hoping we're going to tell them their behavior and treatment is ok, but, bottom line, the answer is honestly no, in these kinds of situations.

The truth is hard. Suck it up and open your eyes. Yes, pet shops generally do not care well for exotics, either, but when you decide to 'rescue' a pet shop animal, it is your responsibility to then be able to *afford* the animal's needs and upkeep. If you can't then you only half a**ed the 'rescue', as you probably want to call it, which really is no good. If you can't pay for it's care and upkeep, then you're equally causing it a disservice. I'm sure you've heard the expression,"Don't bite off more than you can chew." Real rescuers practice this all the time, and often times have to turn down a rescue because they know they can't afford *everything* for another on top of what they're already caring for.

**Aaron_S** · 01-26-15, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fishingfool

No its a bipolar man trying not to flip out cus some rude **** head makeing me feel like a **** for takeing a anamal that would have died.in a over craped cage in a petshop ya know i feel the same way about.kids can't feed em don't breed them you dont see me complaining to every parent that 58% of my property taxes go to schools when i don't have kids clearly this site isn't any better then a facebook group i guess ima just have to rely on google and a vet that only cares for cats and dogs or drice about.six friggen hours just to turn my pockets insideout you need to go to the friggen members loung.and do.some.reading

You may have possibly saved one animal from that pet store but killed about another dozen. Good job!

All that pet store will do is replace that one animal with a bunch more with all the profit you just gave them.

Yeah...google is the way to go? You couldn't even tell if it was internal parasites or not. Honestly, you're really far over your head.

**Tsubaki** · 01-26-15, 01:33 PM

Around here farmer don't inject cattle themselves, they have vets do it. It's illegal to perform veterinary acts on your animal, unless you are talking over the counter stuff. I believe strongly that anyone who owns a pet, should have a minimum amount of money set aside just in case one needs veterinary care. I personally make sure to have a minimum of 200,- per animal set aside for surprise vet visits, if i do not have the money, i will not take in the animal. Simple as that. The fact the snake is not eating, has a dry mouth, and looks up often is a very clear reason is needs a veterinary visit. Or at the very very least, a stool sample check-up. Also the fact that you're declaring you might have infected this snake, with improper hand-washing after touching a different sick snake. Does not make me feel confident you are experienced enough, to be giving the animals medical care yourself.

NewHerp293 · 01-26-15, 01:34 PM

I dont know why youre getting defensive/pissed when you posted on a public forum asking a question that was answered by a lot of people who have been taking care of snakes for a longgg time. I know it sucks to hear your wrong sometimes but referring to this site as no better than a Facebook group just seems childish when the only thing people are trying to do is provide info on the best care for your animal. Ive read a lot of posts and the only time it ever turns bad is when the OP starts fighting back. Theres nothing wrong with a little criticism, its the best way to be better.

Kuamata · 01-26-15, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki

I believe strongly that anyone who owns a pet, should have a minimum amount of money set aside just in case one needs veterinary care. I personally make sure to have a minimum of 200,- per animal set aside for surprise vet visits, if i do not have the money, i will not take in the animal. Simple as that.

Same, I usually have 1,000+ set aside 'cause one, exotic vets do not come cheap for their expertise, and, two, if a really urgent matter came up, I want to be able to pay for it.

Now, I know there are the freak accidents that occur, like, for example, my mother bought a baby black pug from a small home breeder(please do not start a breeder debate, as this is not the point of my post). Vet visit went fine, was totally healthy, had her shots and everything...

A few weeks later the pup started spinning in circles repeatedly, crashing into things, and steadily became more aggressive before she ultimately started having repeated seizures and rushed to the emergency after hour vet until ours was available.

We battled for about a month before she suddenly passed while the specialists at a clinic meant for more serious conditions(our vet deemed her case to be more than he could assist with) were consulting about her case in front of her cage. They immediately tried to bring her back with no success.

They strongly believe it was pug dog encephalitis, a genetic condition that has no cure and not a lot of research behind it due to the fact it only effects strictly the pug breed. Her long battle costed my mother about 3 to 4 thousand dollars. She knew that the chances were strongly in favor of death, but our family of dedicated animal lovers would gladly sell everything for our animals if it meant they would be happy and healthy.

That is a situation I deem a 'freak incident'. She had been to the vet, everything was all good.. then out of the blue a sudden fatal genetic disorder pops up and costs thousands battling. That kind of situation is, in no way, at fault of the owner. I fully support people with fundraisers for these kinds of things, rather than dumping the animal because they can't afford it and they wouldn't do anything to fight for their -family's- life.